deke kendall

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wrote:

>>>sad, but not surprising.  I see prospective students daily because

they get free tx in the PCOM clinic.  The average student is young and

very very new agey.  I often get requests from people to make their

dreams MORE vivid or hear a lot of talk about ENERGY medicine.  It

doesn't hlep that our admin director is a new ager herself.  I believe

the image of our field may already be tainted beyond repair and that

gives me concern for our future.  I know very few hotshot premed

students with 4.0's who would even remotely consider risking their

future credibility in medicine by joining with us. Right now, I

believe we are tolerated by mainstream docs because of popular

pressure, but we do not have their respect and this honeymoon will

soon end unless something gives.  We need to run fast and far from new

age medicine.  TCM is NOT new age.  And it serves us NO purpose to

characterize it this way to ANYONE EVER.  This is the MAIN reason I

have long argued that our allies are in the sciences.  TCM works and

we can prove it.  But as long as we dance this metaphysical dance, no

one cares.

<<<

 

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I tell people that Chinese medicine is not "new age" stuff; it is "old age" stuff as it were, obviously. I may appear to be a liberal-type person on the surface, but in this case I am as conservative as one can get. I see even modern science as "new age" in the broad sense. And although many so-called new age ideas fit with mine, many if not most of them turn my stomach. The trick is to present Chinese medicine as a medical science with rigorously logical rules. I tell people that Chinese medicine was created by the Einsteins and Newtons of China, which is true, and that it has regularly purged itself of folk superstition that has tried to creep in, which is also true. The essential difference between Chinese medical science and "modern" medical science, as I see it, harkens to the point made on the list already, that the best laboratory instrument for measuring truth is our own bodies, not something outside ourselves.

 

Modern science creates an artificial separation between object and perceiver that Chinese medicine does not. Even Western philosophy long ago discarded that notion as untenable, but again Western medical science is behind the Western scientific curve. It seems to me we need to become well-versed in quantum physics, which essentially agrees with the Chinese medical world view, and keep playing that card until we get through to the arbiters of Western medical thought. Old age, new age, it's all the same age to me, and truth doesn't change because of the calendar.

 

By the way, I am going to return eventually to the topic of my patient with the neck and shoulder pain and sleepiness, but I need to devote some quality time to reviewing the case before I come back with it, and right now I am too busy. I definitely want some input from you wonderful folks on her case.

Joseph Garner

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, " Bob Flaws "

<pemachophel2001> wrote:

However, their current director wonders whether there really is

> a viable market yet for a more medically mainstream training in

> acupuncture and Chinese medicine. Their program is having trouble

> competing against more " new agey " programs. There seem to be less

> potential students who want the more rigorous clinical education.

 

sad, but not surprising. I see prospective students daily because

they get free tx in the PCOM clinic. The average student is young and

very very new agey. I often get requests from people to make their

dreams MORE vivid or hear a lot of talk about ENERGY medicine. It

doesn't hlep that our admin director is a new ager herself. I believe

the image of our field may already be tainted beyond repair and that

gives me concern for our future. I know very few hotshot premed

students with 4.0's who would even remotely consider risking their

future credibility in medicine by joining with us. Right now, I

believe we are tolerated by mainstream docs because of popular

pressure, but we do not have their respect and this honeymoon will

soon end unless something gives. We need to run fast and far from new

age medicine. TCM is NOT new age. And it serves us NO purpose to

characterize it this way to ANYONE EVER. This is the MAIN reason I

have long argued that our allies are in the sciences. TCM works and

we can prove it. But as long as we dance this metaphysical dance, no

one cares.

 

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Right now, Ibelieve we are tolerated by mainstream docs because of popularpressure, but we do not have their respect and this honeymoon willsoon end unless something gives.

>>>I totally agree

Alon