Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 For anyone who wants to hear Deke's own words on this subject, a recording of his presentation at the Pacific symposium in 2002 is available from Conference Recording Service at 800-647-1110. I think there are 3-4 hours of lectures in which Deke presents the evidence, as it were. I found it fascinating and thought provoking. But it did not alter how I practice. These are really two separate things in my mind. On one hand, when working with patients, I adhere closely to tradition as I understand it from personal teachers and reading and discussion. Nothing else really comes into play besides the four exams and the traditional functions and interactions of herbs The application of the western scientific model to TCM really only interests me in a few limited areas. 1. Does TCM produce measurable physiological changes? 2. Are there discrete physiological and biochemical changes that can be correlated with TCM patterns? 3. Do measurable active constituents of herbs correlate with herb potency and reproducibility of effects? 4. What is the relationship between herb dose and clinical efficacy? The reasons for my interest are: 1. To satisfy an intellectual curiosity as to whether measurable correlates exist for all phenomena. I don't believe having measurable correlates reduces those phenomena to those correlates. for example there is reliable evidence that meditation alters brainwaves in reproducible ways. That hardly explains the symbolic significance of meditative experiences. It merely shows that some change has occurred and that the event is not imaginary. Science can explain art of music, but it can examine the brain MRIs of those who are artists and musicians. Personally I don't really care if I am wrong because there is nothing ultimate or grand hinging on my belief in this hypothesis. I am just curious. 2. For strategic reasons. I believe challenging western science on its own turf is the way paradigms change. especially with regard to number 2 above. If it were to be shown that one could correlate TCM patterns with recurring complexes of measurable pathological changes, this might revolutionize medicine. especially if it could also be shown that standard formulas resolved the patterns. And that by differentiating patients according to chinese patterns, there was enhanced clinical efficacy and lower side effects. However I have no fear that this would reduce TCM or allow it to be coopted. I imagine lab tests providing just more signs to consider. I can't imagine that one could ever make a TCM diagnosis based merely upon such tests. One still has to consider the entire pattern. There is just way too much nuance to reduce things this way. TCM is, after all, a literary tradition, a scientific one But I do suspect there are correlations. Imagine an MD runs a battery of tests and the computer analysis correlates a cluster of parameters in an otherwise undiagnosable patient with a possible TCM pattern. then the patient is referred to the HMO Herbologist for further workup. I fear if we do not provide such evidence that chinese medicine may not outlive the the last of the baby boomers. We will just remain marginal for decades. I think there is a way to maintain the integrity of our tradition and open the door to integration. And if we do not do this, it is then that we will see our methods just taken piecemeal by MD's and our profession dismissed as quackery. I also do not think conventional doctors are going to switch from high tech and designer drugs to low tech and messy plants. I think they will become more and more of what they already are. However the convergence of several scientific trends may finally be penetrating into medicine, such as systems science, information and complexity theory. If we prove that the TCM systems approach to dx and tx is most safe and effective when done within our own paradigm, western medicine will be challenged to understand how to differentiate the patient's terrain (as the french put it) on their own terms. And that might form the basis for a truly holistic integrated medical system, where patients received low doses of powerful western therapies, as necessary, in combination with chinese herbs and other natural supplements, all tailored to the individual patient. -- Chinese Herbs voice: (619) 668-6964 fax: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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