Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Bob, and Everyone, What is magic? I'll give you my definition, but would really like to hear what each of you have to say about it, since you've been talking about it recently, and I often find it to be an undefined or poorly defined term. My interest, by the way, is more than idle as I'm going to be giving a talk on Daoist Sex Magic at the conference in Rothenburg next month. For anyone who wants to join in or follow this discussion, I suggest you begin by looking at the word in a good dictionary. The entry at dictionary.com is pretty good. Look also at the derivation of the word. It has to do with greatness. It seems to me that a large part of the definition, both denotative and connotative, is related to explanations. If we have an explanation for any given cause and effect relationship, then it does not seem to be magic. Magic appears when explanations are not present. In fact, one of the primary responses that people tend to feel when confronted by anything magic is to ask " How did he/she do that? " And of course the prime rule of magicians is not to reveal how the trick is done. Once a suitable explanation for how result X obtains from cause Y is known, then the action ceases to be considered or experienced as magic. Yet consider that virtually every explanation that humankind has ever come up with for the vast bulk of phenomena has been proven by later humans to be wrong...or at least inadequate. It doesn't seem to matter if our explanations are correct or not as long as they seem to be correct and we accept that there is an adequate explanation, then it is not magic... at least not according to the " definition " that I've suggested her. Does this change when we take into account later generations are almost certainly going to continue to advance the frontiers of knowledge and to discover that what those curious ancient people of the late 20th and early 21st centuries held to be the explanations of phenomena were certainly all cockeyed nonsense? Bucky Fuller defined wealth in two categories: physical and metaphysical. Physical wealth, he pointed out, according to the second law of thermodynamics, can never be reduced. Matter/energe cannot be uncreated, only rearranged. The basic substance of things is therefore the physical wealth of the universe and as it appears to our understanding now, it cannot be destroyed. [There is another view of this, naturally enough, which anyone interested can check out by typing the phrase " decay of the false vacuum " into their favorite search engine and then pouring over the search results. But we'll leave that for another time.] Metaphysical wealth, he held, was always increasing, as even if were to discover today that everything we thought true up until yesterday was wrong, we would still know more today than yesterday since we were now able to evaluate all knowledge. Thus, Bucky pointed out in his Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth that we humans are always and inescably becoming richer and richer, with a physical wealth that cannot be destroyed and a metaphysical wealth that is always increasing. Does this mean that magic might someday disappear from human experience? I'm following up on this because I believe, as you both have suggested, that magic and medicine are closely related. I find that traditional Chinese medicine has a particularly intimate relationship with magic. And I would sincerely like to hear people's views on this topic, as it will help me to focus my own thoughts for this talk I have to give on Daoist Sex Magic. Sorry if the foregoing is a bit scattered, I could claim that the current chaos of Beijing has rattled my already rattled brain. Things are getting pretty strange here as fear of SARS continues to generate mass hysteria and curiously irrational behavior on the part of a growing number of individuals. But that's another story, too. And I'll leave it at that for now. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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