SARS: Wen Bing prevention /Treatment

[Guest guest]

April 25,2003

 

Dear Listmembers,

 

This article was forwarded to me by Dan Wen, a r of the CHA discussion list who thinks that this article might help some members of the list to see the " real picture of the role of TCM in dealing with SARS in China. " He requested me to translate the article from Chinese into English.

I have no background on Prof. Shen . I tried to check his background from the three volume book that I have which introduces the experience of veteran TCM practitoners in China since the 40's in China. The information on the hapatitis A epidemic in Shanghai is helpful vis-a-vis how they used the concepts of Wen Bing and TCM materia medica in controling the epidemic. From my recollection of accounts and articles written in some of the TCM journals at that time, it was really a serious epidemic.

 

Regards,

 

Rey Tiquia

Phd Candidate

Dept of History and Philosophy of Science

University of Melbourne

 

TCM Expert: Clinical Experience Confirms the Efficacy of

TCM Materia Medica (Yao) in Preventing

and Treating SARS (Atypical Pneumonia)

 

NEWS.SOHU.COM. 2003 /4/ 24 1:42 am Shanghai Youth Newspaper

 

Prof. Shen Qing Fa is the director of the Wen Bing Research Center of the Shanghai TCM University. He is a member of the Shanghai TCM Expert SARS consultative Team. Yesterday, he gave an interview to this paper on the prevention and treatment of fei dian SARS .

 

Reporter: What is the role of this present TCM Expert Team?

 

Shen: My main role in this team is to present a plan for the prevention and treatment of SARS form the point of view of TCM. We also have to timely observe the dynamic situation while at the same time participate in the clinical diagnosis and treatment of SARS. At the moment, the relevant blueprint in the city for the prevention and treatment of SARS has been set.

 

Reporter: From the perspective of TCM , how is SARS categorized ?

 

Shen: It belongs to the category of diseases which is collectively referred to as Wen Bing . To be more precise, we can classify it as 'Wind Wen' feng wen . Wind Wen mostly occurs in spring time. The basic pathology bing and clinical pattern zheng of SARS are similar to it (Wind Wen).

 

Reporter: Most people at present say that the main efficacious role of TCM materia medica zhong yao in the fight against SARS is in 'prevention' fang and not in the 'treatment' zhi. How do you see this problem ?

 

Shen : That TCM materia medica mainly prevents (illnesses) is correct. However, at the present situation, TCM materia medica is also playing an important role in the 'treatment' aspect . This is expecially true in the recuperation phase of the disease. On April 10th I went to Guanzhou City for an inspection tour kao cha . At the No.1 Hospital Attached to the Guanzhou City TCM Materia Medica University they have 33 SARS patients receiving integrated TCM and Western medical treatment zhong xi yi jie he zhi liao. The patients recovered quickly from their fever as well as cured quickly compared to those who did not receive TCM materia medica treatment. This hospital has 800 beds and 1,000 medical personell. Because the hospital adopted preventative measures (against SARS) through the use of TCM materia medica preventative preparations, none of their medical personell got infected by (the SARS virus). At the same time, Honkong Hospitals are starting to pay close attention to coordinating pei he the use of TCM materia medica with Western medical treatments.

 

Reporter: Do all people have to take Preventative TCM materia medica ?

 

Shen: We think that only those susceptible cohorts yi gan ren qun who live in localities affected by the SARS epidemic; those suspected cases; those who frequent public places; as well as those whose natural immune system are weak should take these preventative TCM materia medica. At the same time, the dosage must be put under control. Generally, they can be administered for 7 days in a row. Pregnant women and children can also be administered with an appropriate dose.

 

Reporter: Does Ban Lan Gen preparations have any use in the prevention and treatment of SARS?

 

Shen: The reason the people of Shanghai find Ban Lan Gen favour in their eyes qing lai is related to the prevention and treatment of the l989 Hepatitis A epidemic . It cannot be denied that Ban Lan Gen has the therapeutic action of clearing heat and detoxify qng re jie du . However, whether it can be used to deal with SARS , we have no scientific basis for this and no comparative examples. Hence it is quite difficult to confirm.

[Guest guest]

Rey:

 

Thanks for keeping us up to date on what's going on. I appreciate

your continuing efforts.

 

If this is the " real picture of the role of TCM in dealing with SARS

in China " it is quite minimal. I'm still looking forward to the time

when someone in China's TCM community has direct experience

diagnosing and treating a SARS patient, and their role is not simply

limited to prevention and recuperation. It would be interesting to

see what unique pulse and tongue features, if any, are present in

SARS.

 

While conducting a pulse study group today, we were talking about

the predominant features of this season's flu. Consistant (at least

in the Norther latitudes of the US) the lung pulse has strong damp

qualities, mixed with some wiriness. This is consistant with the

year being dominated by Earth qi and it being Spring. If you add to

this mixture a virus, which adds heat to this mixture (my teacher

commented that viruses have a shaoyang or minister fire type of

quality; that is, intense and localized), you get a more complicated

lung pulse pattern---especially when you consider the fact that

Earth is already suppressing Water which, in turn, controls Fire. If

you consider the SARS virus an even stronger source of heat than

other typical viruses, we may get a clearer picture of what may be

going on in a SARS patient. And hence the interest in Ban Lan Gen.

 

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " rey tiquia " wrote:

> This article was forwarded to me by Dan Wen, a r of the

CHA discussion list who thinks that this article might help some

members of the list to see the " real picture of the role of TCM in

dealing with SARS in China. " He requested me to translate the

article from Chinese into English.

>

> I have no background on Prof. Shen. I tried to check his

background from the three volume book that I have which introduces

the experience of veteran TCM practitoners in China since the 40's

in China. The information on the hapatitis A epidemic in Shanghai is

helpful vis-a-vis how they used the concepts of Wen Bing and TCM

materia medica in controling the epidemic.

> From my recollection of accounts and articles written in some of

the TCM journals at that time, it was really a serious epidemic.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rey Tiquia

> Phd Candidate

> Dept of History and Philosophy of Science

> University of Melbourne

>

> TCM Expert: Clinical Experience Confirms the

Efficacy

> of

> TCM Materia Medica (Yao) in Preventing

> and Treating SARS (Atypical Pneumonia)

>

> NEWS.SOHU.COM. 2003 /4/ 24 1:42 am Shanghai Youth

Newspaper

>

> Prof. Shen Qing Fa is the director of the Wen Bing Research

Center of the Shanghai TCM University. He is a member of the

Shanghai TCM Expert SARS consultative Team. Yesterday, he gave an

interview to this paper on the prevention and treatment of fei dian

SARS.

>

> Reporter: What is the role of this present TCM Expert Team?

>

> Shen: My main role in this team is to present a plan for the

prevention and treatment of SARS form the point of view of TCM. We

also have to timely observe the dynamic situation while at the same

time participate in the clinical diagnosis and treatment of SARS. At

the moment, the relevant blueprint in the city for the prevention

and treatment of SARS has been set.

>

> Reporter: From the perspective of TCM , how is SARS categorized ?

>

> Shen: It belongs to the category of diseases which is collectively

referred to as Wen Bing . To be more precise, we can classify it

as 'Wind Wen' feng wen . Wind Wen mostly occurs in spring time. The

basic pathology bing and clinical pattern zheng of SARS are

similar to it (Wind Wen).

>

> Reporter: Most people at present say that the main efficacious

role of TCM materia medica zhong yao in the fight against SARS is

in 'prevention' fang and not in the 'treatment' zhi. How do you see

this problem ?

>

> Shen : That TCM materia medica mainly prevents (illnesses) is

correct. However, at the present situation, TCM materia medica is

also playing an important role in the 'treatment' aspect. This is

expecially true in the recuperation phase of the disease. On April

10th I went to Guanzhou City for an inspection tour kao cha . At

the No.1 Hospital Attached to the Guanzhou City TCM Materia Medica

University they have 33 SARS patients receiving integrated TCM and

Western medical treatment zhong xi yi jie he zhi liao.

> The patients recovered quickly from their fever as well as cured

quickly compared to those who did not receive TCM materia medica

treatment. This hospital has 800 beds and 1,000 medical personell.

Because the hospital adopted preventative measures (against SARS)

through the use of TCM materia medica preventative preparations,

none of their medical personell got infected by (the SARS virus). At

the same time, Honkong Hospitals are starting to pay close attention

to coordinating pei he the use of TCM materia medica with Western

medical treatments.

>

> Reporter: Do all people have to take Preventative TCM materia

medica ?

>

> Shen: We think that only those susceptible cohorts yi gan ren qun

who live in localities affected by the SARS epidemic; those

suspected cases; those who frequent public places; as well as those

whose natural immune system are weak should take these preventative

TCM materia medica. At the same time, the dosage must be put under

control. Generally, they can be administered for 7 days in a row.

Pregnant women and children can also be administered with an

appropriate dose.

>

> Reporter: Does Ban Lan Gen preparations have any use in the

prevention and treatment of SARS?

>

> Shen: The reason the people of Shanghai find Ban Lan Gen favour in

their eyes qing lai is related to the prevention and treatment of

the l989 Hepatitis A epidemic. It cannot be denied that Ban Lan Gen

has the therapeutic action of clearing heat and detoxify qng re jie

du. However, whether it can be used to deal with SARS, we have no

scientific basis for this and no comparative examples. Hence it is

quite difficult to confirm.

[Guest guest]

April 25,2003

 

Dear Jim,

 

After closely following (on-line) the footprints of the SARS

pestilential Qi epidemic outbreak in southern China for over a

month now, I have accumulated plenty of on-line Chinese

materials which is giving is me a good picture of how the

epidemic started and how the people of the region (both HK and

southern China )coped with the epidemic. and what role TCM

played in it.

 

I awknowledge your keen interest in the pulse manifestation of

people affected by the pestilential Qi . And I share with you the

importance of this data for TCM practitoners. As to the other

clinical features of this Wind Wen epidemic , so far, the only

materials we have to go by are those of medical personell at the

Guangdong TCM Hospital who treated 112 cases of SARS. I

expect that a more thorough report will come out in a number of

TCM journals in China probably later on. Once it comes out,

and I get hold of it, I will certainly translate it and post to

colleagues in the CHA. .

 

Your observation about the Shao Yang pulse and ban lan gen is

very interesting. I can also see that your pulse study group is

into ' epidemic forcasting in the northern hemisphere'.

 

I have just downloaded some materials prepared by some TCM

scholars in HK which traced the origins of this Pestilential Qi

SARS epidemic in terms of the seasons and the 24 seasonal

segments jie Qi. Once, I have translated the material I will post it

to the list.

 

Regards,

 

Rey Tiquia

 

 

 

 

, " James

Ramholz " <jramholz> wrote:

> Rey:

>

> Thanks for keeping us up to date on what's going on. I

appreciate

> your continuing efforts.

>

> If this is the " real picture of the role of TCM in dealing with

SARS

> in China " it is quite minimal. I'm still looking forward to the

time

> when someone in China's TCM community has direct

experience

> diagnosing and treating a SARS patient, and their role is not

simply

> limited to prevention and recuperation. It would be interesting

to

> see what unique pulse and tongue features, if any, are present

in

> SARS.

>

> While conducting a pulse study group today, we were talking

about

> the predominant features of this season's flu. Consistant (at

least

> in the Norther latitudes of the US) the lung pulse has strong

damp

> qualities, mixed with some wiriness. This is consistant with

the

> year being dominated by Earth qi and it being Spring. If you add

to

> this mixture a virus, which adds heat to this mixture (my

teacher

> commented that viruses have a shaoyang or minister fire type

of

> quality; that is, intense and localized), you get a more

complicated

> lung pulse pattern---especially when you consider the fact that

> Earth is already suppressing Water which, in turn, controls

Fire. If

> you consider the SARS virus an even stronger source of heat

than

> other typical viruses, we may get a clearer picture of what may

be

> going on in a SARS patient. And hence the interest in Ban Lan

Gen.

>

>

> Jim Ramholz

>

, " rey tiquia "

wrote:

> > This article was forwarded to me by Dan Wen, a r

of the

> CHA discussion list who thinks that this article might help

some

> members of the list to see the " real picture of the role of TCM in

> dealing with SARS in China. " He requested me to translate the

> article from Chinese into English.

> >

> > I have no background on Prof. Shen. I tried to check his

> background from the three volume book that I have which

introduces

> the experience of veteran TCM practitoners in China since the

40's

> in China. The information on the hapatitis A epidemic in

Shanghai is

> helpful vis-a-vis how they used the concepts of Wen Bing and

TCM

> materia medica in controling the epidemic.

> > From my recollection of accounts and articles written in

some of

> the TCM journals at that time, it was really a serious epidemic.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rey Tiquia

> > Phd Candidate

> > Dept of History and Philosophy of Science

> > University of Melbourne

> >

> > TCM Expert: Clinical Experience Confirms

the

> Efficacy

> > of

> > TCM Materia Medica (Yao) in Preventing

> > and Treating SARS (Atypical Pneumonia)

> >

> > NEWS.SOHU.COM. 2003 /4/ 24 1:42 am Shanghai

Youth

> Newspaper

> >

> > Prof. Shen Qing Fa is the director of the Wen Bing

Research

> Center of the Shanghai TCM University. He is a member of the

> Shanghai TCM Expert SARS consultative Team. Yesterday, he

gave an

> interview to this paper on the prevention and treatment of fei

dian

> SARS.

> >

> > Reporter: What is the role of this present TCM Expert Team?

> >

> > Shen: My main role in this team is to present a plan for the

> prevention and treatment of SARS form the point of view of

TCM. We

> also have to timely observe the dynamic situation while at the

same

> time participate in the clinical diagnosis and treatment of

SARS. At

> the moment, the relevant blueprint in the city for the prevention

> and treatment of SARS has been set.

> >

> > Reporter: From the perspective of TCM , how is SARS

categorized ?

> >

> > Shen: It belongs to the category of diseases which is

collectively

> referred to as Wen Bing . To be more precise, we can classify it

> as 'Wind Wen' feng wen . Wind Wen mostly occurs in spring

time. The

> basic pathology bing and clinical pattern zheng of SARS are

> similar to it (Wind Wen).

> >

> > Reporter: Most people at present say that the main

efficacious

> role of TCM materia medica zhong yao in the fight against

SARS is

> in 'prevention' fang and not in the 'treatment' zhi. How do you

see

> this problem ?

> >

> > Shen : That TCM materia medica mainly prevents (illnesses)

is

> correct. However, at the present situation, TCM materia medica

is

> also playing an important role in the 'treatment' aspect. This is

> expecially true in the recuperation phase of the disease. On

April

> 10th I went to Guanzhou City for an inspection tour kao cha . At

> the No.1 Hospital Attached to the Guanzhou City TCM Materia

Medica

> University they have 33 SARS patients receiving integrated

TCM and

> Western medical treatment zhong xi yi jie he zhi liao.

> > The patients recovered quickly from their fever as well as

cured

> quickly compared to those who did not receive TCM materia

medica

> treatment. This hospital has 800 beds and 1,000 medical

personell.

> Because the hospital adopted preventative measures (against

SARS)

> through the use of TCM materia medica preventative

preparations,

> none of their medical personell got infected by (the SARS

virus). At

> the same time, Honkong Hospitals are starting to pay close

attention

> to coordinating pei he the use of TCM materia medica with

Western

> medical treatments.

> >

> > Reporter: Do all people have to take Preventative TCM

materia

> medica ?

> >

> > Shen: We think that only those susceptible cohorts yi gan

ren qun

> who live in localities affected by the SARS epidemic; those

> suspected cases; those who frequent public places; as well

as those

> whose natural immune system are weak should take these

preventative

> TCM materia medica. At the same time, the dosage must be

put under

> control. Generally, they can be administered for 7 days in a

row.

> Pregnant women and children can also be administered with

an

> appropriate dose.

> >

> > Reporter: Does Ban Lan Gen preparations have any use in

the

> prevention and treatment of SARS?

> >

> > Shen: The reason the people of Shanghai find Ban Lan Gen

favour in

> their eyes qing lai is related to the prevention and treatment of

> the l989 Hepatitis A epidemic. It cannot be denied that Ban Lan

Gen

> has the therapeutic action of clearing heat and detoxify qng re

jie

> du. However, whether it can be used to deal with SARS, we

have no

> scientific basis for this and no comparative examples. Hence it

is

> quite difficult to confirm.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ray,

 

Thank you very much for translating the article. It's really a nice

work. I admire your achievment on Chinese language.

 

As a former faculty from the Guangzhou TCM University and its teaching

hospital (the GI clinical group), I am thinking of finding someone

there to talk to us about the situation (if I can).

 

Dan Wen

Honso USA

Http://HonsoUSA.com

 

, " rey tiquia " <rey@a...> wrote:

>

> April 25,2003

>

> Dear Jim,

>

> After closely following (on-line) the footprints of the SARS

> pestilential Qi epidemic outbreak in southern China for over a

> month now, I have accumulated plenty of on-line Chinese

> materials which is giving is me a good picture of how the

> epidemic started and how the people of the region (both HK and

> southern China )coped with the epidemic. and what role TCM

> played in it.

>

> I awknowledge your keen interest in the pulse manifestation of

> people affected by the pestilential Qi . And I share with you the

> importance of this data for TCM practitoners. As to the other

> clinical features of this Wind Wen epidemic , so far, the only

> materials we have to go by are those of medical personell at the

> Guangdong TCM Hospital who treated 112 cases of SARS. I

> expect that a more thorough report will come out in a number of

> TCM journals in China probably later on. Once it comes out,

> and I get hold of it, I will certainly translate it and post to

> colleagues in the CHA. .

>

> Your observation about the Shao Yang pulse and ban lan gen is

> very interesting. I can also see that your pulse study group is

> into ' epidemic forcasting in the northern hemisphere'.

>

> I have just downloaded some materials prepared by some TCM

> scholars in HK which traced the origins of this Pestilential Qi

> SARS epidemic in terms of the seasons and the 24 seasonal

> segments jie Qi. Once, I have translated the material I will post it

> to the list.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rey Tiquia

>

>

>

>

> , " James

> Ramholz " <jramholz> wrote:

> > Rey:

> >

> > Thanks for keeping us up to date on what's going on. I

> appreciate

> > your continuing efforts.

> >

> > If this is the " real picture of the role of TCM in dealing with

> SARS

> > in China " it is quite minimal. I'm still looking forward to the

> time

> > when someone in China's TCM community has direct

> experience

> > diagnosing and treating a SARS patient, and their role is not

> simply

> > limited to prevention and recuperation. It would be interesting

> to

> > see what unique pulse and tongue features, if any, are present

> in

> > SARS.

> >

> > While conducting a pulse study group today, we were talking

> about

> > the predominant features of this season's flu. Consistant (at

> least

> > in the Norther latitudes of the US) the lung pulse has strong

> damp

> > qualities, mixed with some wiriness. This is consistant with

> the

> > year being dominated by Earth qi and it being Spring. If you add

> to

> > this mixture a virus, which adds heat to this mixture (my

> teacher

> > commented that viruses have a shaoyang or minister fire type

> of

> > quality; that is, intense and localized), you get a more

> complicated

> > lung pulse pattern---especially when you consider the fact that

> > Earth is already suppressing Water which, in turn, controls

> Fire. If

> > you consider the SARS virus an even stronger source of heat

> than

> > other typical viruses, we may get a clearer picture of what may

> be

> > going on in a SARS patient. And hence the interest in Ban Lan

> Gen.

> >

> >

> > Jim Ramholz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rey tiquia "

> wrote:

> > > This article was forwarded to me by Dan Wen, a r

> of the

> > CHA discussion list who thinks that this article might help

> some

> > members of the list to see the " real picture of the role of TCM in

> > dealing with SARS in China. " He requested me to translate the

> > article from Chinese into English.

> > >

> > > I have no background on Prof. Shen. I tried to check his

> > background from the three volume book that I have which

> introduces

> > the experience of veteran TCM practitoners in China since the

> 40's

> > in China. The information on the hapatitis A epidemic in

> Shanghai is

> > helpful vis-a-vis how they used the concepts of Wen Bing and

> TCM

> > materia medica in controling the epidemic.

> > > From my recollection of accounts and articles written in

> some of

> > the TCM journals at that time, it was really a serious epidemic.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rey Tiquia

> > > Phd Candidate

> > > Dept of History and Philosophy of Science

> > > University of Melbourne

> > >

> > > TCM Expert: Clinical Experience Confirms

> the

> > Efficacy

> > > of

> > > TCM Materia Medica (Yao) in Preventing

> > > and Treating SARS (Atypical Pneumonia)

> > >

> > > NEWS.SOHU.COM. 2003 /4/ 24 1:42 am Shanghai

> Youth

> > Newspaper

> > >

> > > Prof. Shen Qing Fa is the director of the Wen Bing

> Research

> > Center of the Shanghai TCM University. He is a member of the

> > Shanghai TCM Expert SARS consultative Team. Yesterday, he

> gave an

> > interview to this paper on the prevention and treatment of fei

> dian

> > SARS.

> > >

> > > Reporter: What is the role of this present TCM Expert Team?

> > >

> > > Shen: My main role in this team is to present a plan for the

> > prevention and treatment of SARS form the point of view of

> TCM. We

> > also have to timely observe the dynamic situation while at the

> same

> > time participate in the clinical diagnosis and treatment of

> SARS. At

> > the moment, the relevant blueprint in the city for the prevention

> > and treatment of SARS has been set.

> > >

> > > Reporter: From the perspective of TCM , how is SARS

> categorized ?

> > >

> > > Shen: It belongs to the category of diseases which is

> collectively

> > referred to as Wen Bing . To be more precise, we can classify it

> > as 'Wind Wen' feng wen . Wind Wen mostly occurs in spring

> time. The

> > basic pathology bing and clinical pattern zheng of SARS are

> > similar to it (Wind Wen).

> > >

> > > Reporter: Most people at present say that the main

> efficacious

> > role of TCM materia medica zhong yao in the fight against

> SARS is

> > in 'prevention' fang and not in the 'treatment' zhi. How do you

> see

> > this problem ?

> > >

> > > Shen : That TCM materia medica mainly prevents (illnesses)

> is

> > correct. However, at the present situation, TCM materia medica

> is

> > also playing an important role in the 'treatment' aspect. This is

> > expecially true in the recuperation phase of the disease. On

> April

> > 10th I went to Guanzhou City for an inspection tour kao cha . At

> > the No.1 Hospital Attached to the Guanzhou City TCM Materia

> Medica

> > University they have 33 SARS patients receiving integrated

> TCM and

> > Western medical treatment zhong xi yi jie he zhi liao.

> > > The patients recovered quickly from their fever as well as

> cured

> > quickly compared to those who did not receive TCM materia

> medica

> > treatment. This hospital has 800 beds and 1,000 medical

> personell.

> > Because the hospital adopted preventative measures (against

> SARS)

> > through the use of TCM materia medica preventative

> preparations,

> > none of their medical personell got infected by (the SARS

> virus). At

> > the same time, Honkong Hospitals are starting to pay close

> attention

> > to coordinating pei he the use of TCM materia medica with

> Western

> > medical treatments.

> > >

> > > Reporter: Do all people have to take Preventative TCM

> materia

> > medica ?

> > >

> > > Shen: We think that only those susceptible cohorts yi gan

> ren qun

> > who live in localities affected by the SARS epidemic; those

> > suspected cases; those who frequent public places; as well

> as those

> > whose natural immune system are weak should take these

> preventative

> > TCM materia medica. At the same time, the dosage must be

> put under

> > control. Generally, they can be administered for 7 days in a

> row.

> > Pregnant women and children can also be administered with

> an

> > appropriate dose.

> > >

> > > Reporter: Does Ban Lan Gen preparations have any use in

> the

> > prevention and treatment of SARS?

> > >

> > > Shen: The reason the people of Shanghai find Ban Lan Gen

> favour in

> > their eyes qing lai is related to the prevention and treatment of

> > the l989 Hepatitis A epidemic. It cannot be denied that Ban Lan

> Gen

> > has the therapeutic action of clearing heat and detoxify qng re

> jie

> > du. However, whether it can be used to deal with SARS, we

> have no

> > scientific basis for this and no comparative examples. Hence it

> is

> > quite difficult to confirm.

[Guest guest]

April 27, 2003

 

Dear Dan,

 

I think that it will be a good idea to invite someone from your

alma mater to talk about their experience in dealing with the

onset of the epidemic expecially in the city of Guangzhou which

was also terribly affected . From what I have read on line: first

there was a run on vinegar, then salt and finally banlangen.

According to Zhong Nan Shan who heads a SARS medical

expert delegation now visiting Hongkong, when the pestilential

Qi epidemic hit Guangdong Province in February, there were 50-

60 people who were afflicted by the infection daily.

 

It will be a good idea to invite a TCM practiioner who had

frontline experience in dealing with the epidemic. As you

probably are aware, some of the CHA listmembers are very keen

to know the clinical pattern of this SARS pestilential Qi epidemic

.. It will also be good to probably get the WHO or the CDC over

there to co-sponsor the invitation. It will be a good chance for

practitioners of TCM in the States to learn from their experience.

 

I will be in Boston, New York, and LA this coming June. If you

can invite someone by that time, I would be willing to help with

the translation. I can also explore the possibility of our TCM

Alliance here in Aussie land to co-sponsori the speaker that you

can invite.

 

Regards,

 

Rey Tiquia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " honsousa " <

info@h...> wrote:

> Dear Ray,

>

> Thank you very much for translating the article. It's really a nice

> work. I admire your achievment on Chinese language.

>

> As a former faculty from the Guangzhou TCM University and its

teaching

> hospital (the GI clinical group), I am thinking of finding

someone

> there to talk to us about the situation (if I can).

>

> Dan Wen

> Honso USA

> Http://HonsoUSA.com

>

> , " rey tiquia " <

rey@a...> wrote:

> >

> > April 25,2003

> >

> > Dear Jim,

> >

> > After closely following (on-line) the footprints of the SARS

> > pestilential Qi epidemic outbreak in southern China for over

a

> > month now, I have accumulated plenty of on-line Chinese

> > materials which is giving is me a good picture of how the

> > epidemic started and how the people of the region (both HK

and

> > southern China )coped with the epidemic. and what role

TCM

> > played in it.

> >

> > I awknowledge your keen interest in the pulse manifestation

of

> > people affected by the pestilential Qi . And I share with you

the

> > importance of this data for TCM practitoners. As to the other

> > clinical features of this Wind Wen epidemic , so far, the only

> > materials we have to go by are those of medical personell at

the

> > Guangdong TCM Hospital who treated 112 cases of SARS. I

> > expect that a more thorough report will come out in a

number of

> > TCM journals in China probably later on. Once it comes out,

> > and I get hold of it, I will certainly translate it and post to

> > colleagues in the CHA. .

> >

> > Your observation about the Shao Yang pulse and ban lan

gen is

> > very interesting. I can also see that your pulse study group is

> > into ' epidemic forcasting in the northern hemisphere'.

> >

> > I have just downloaded some materials prepared by some

TCM

> > scholars in HK which traced the origins of this Pestilential Qi

> > SARS epidemic in terms of the seasons and the 24

seasonal

> > segments jie Qi. Once, I have translated the material I will

post it

> > to the list.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rey Tiquia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " James

> > Ramholz " <jramholz> wrote:

> > > Rey:

> > >

> > > Thanks for keeping us up to date on what's going on. I

> > appreciate

> > > your continuing efforts.

> > >

> > > If this is the " real picture of the role of TCM in dealing with

> > SARS

> > > in China " it is quite minimal. I'm still looking forward to the

> > time

> > > when someone in China's TCM community has direct

> > experience

> > > diagnosing and treating a SARS patient, and their role is

not

> > simply

> > > limited to prevention and recuperation. It would be

interesting

> > to

> > > see what unique pulse and tongue features, if any, are

present

> > in

> > > SARS.

> > >

> > > While conducting a pulse study group today, we were

talking

> > about

> > > the predominant features of this season's flu. Consistant

(at

> > least

> > > in the Norther latitudes of the US) the lung pulse has

strong

> > damp

> > > qualities, mixed with some wiriness. This is consistant

with

> > the

> > > year being dominated by Earth qi and it being Spring. If you

add

> > to

> > > this mixture a virus, which adds heat to this mixture (my

> > teacher

> > > commented that viruses have a shaoyang or minister fire

type

> > of

> > > quality; that is, intense and localized), you get a more

> > complicated

> > > lung pulse pattern---especially when you consider the fact

that

> > > Earth is already suppressing Water which, in turn, controls

> > Fire. If

> > > you consider the SARS virus an even stronger source of

heat

> > than

> > > other typical viruses, we may get a clearer picture of what

may

> > be

> > > going on in a SARS patient. And hence the interest in Ban

Lan

> > Gen.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jim Ramholz

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rey tiquia "

> > wrote:

> > > > This article was forwarded to me by Dan Wen, a

r

> > of the

> > > CHA discussion list who thinks that this article might help

> > some

> > > members of the list to see the " real picture of the role of

TCM in

> > > dealing with SARS in China. " He requested me to translate

the

> > > article from Chinese into English.

> > > >

> > > > I have no background on Prof. Shen. I tried to check his

> > > background from the three volume book that I have which

> > introduces

> > > the experience of veteran TCM practitoners in China since

the

> > 40's

> > > in China. The information on the hapatitis A epidemic in

> > Shanghai is

> > > helpful vis-a-vis how they used the concepts of Wen Bing

and

> > TCM

> > > materia medica in controling the epidemic.

> > > > From my recollection of accounts and articles written in

> > some of

> > > the TCM journals at that time, it was really a serious

epidemic.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Rey Tiquia

> > > > Phd Candidate

> > > > Dept of History and Philosophy of Science

> > > > University of Melbourne

> > > >

> > > > TCM Expert: Clinical Experience Confirms

> > the

> > > Efficacy

> > > > of

> > > > TCM Materia Medica (Yao) in Preventing

> > > > and Treating SARS (Atypical Pneumonia)

> > > >

> > > > NEWS.SOHU.COM. 2003 /4/ 24 1:42 am Shanghai

> > Youth

> > > Newspaper

> > > >

> > > > Prof. Shen Qing Fa is the director of the Wen Bing

> > Research

> > > Center of the Shanghai TCM University. He is a member of

the

> > > Shanghai TCM Expert SARS consultative Team. Yesterday,

he

> > gave an

> > > interview to this paper on the prevention and treatment of

fei

> > dian

> > > SARS.

> > > >

> > > > Reporter: What is the role of this present TCM Expert

Team?

> > > >

> > > > Shen: My main role in this team is to present a plan for

the

> > > prevention and treatment of SARS form the point of view of

> > TCM. We

> > > also have to timely observe the dynamic situation while at

the

> > same

> > > time participate in the clinical diagnosis and treatment of

> > SARS. At

> > > the moment, the relevant blueprint in the city for the

prevention

> > > and treatment of SARS has been set.

> > > >

> > > > Reporter: From the perspective of TCM , how is SARS

> > categorized ?

> > > >

> > > > Shen: It belongs to the category of diseases which is

> > collectively

> > > referred to as Wen Bing . To be more precise, we can

classify it

> > > as 'Wind Wen' feng wen . Wind Wen mostly occurs in

spring

> > time. The

> > > basic pathology bing and clinical pattern zheng of SARS

are

> > > similar to it (Wind Wen).

> > > >

> > > > Reporter: Most people at present say that the main

> > efficacious

> > > role of TCM materia medica zhong yao in the fight against

> > SARS is

> > > in 'prevention' fang and not in the 'treatment' zhi. How do

you

> > see

> > > this problem ?

> > > >

> > > > Shen : That TCM materia medica mainly prevents

(illnesses)

> > is

> > > correct. However, at the present situation, TCM materia

medica

> > is

> > > also playing an important role in the 'treatment' aspect.

This is

> > > expecially true in the recuperation phase of the disease. On

> > April

> > > 10th I went to Guanzhou City for an inspection tour kao cha

.. At

> > > the No.1 Hospital Attached to the Guanzhou City TCM

Materia

> > Medica

> > > University they have 33 SARS patients receiving integrated

> > TCM and

> > > Western medical treatment zhong xi yi jie he zhi liao.

> > > > The patients recovered quickly from their fever as well as

> > cured

> > > quickly compared to those who did not receive TCM

materia

> > medica

> > > treatment. This hospital has 800 beds and 1,000 medical

> > personell.

> > > Because the hospital adopted preventative measures

(against

> > SARS)

> > > through the use of TCM materia medica preventative

> > preparations,

> > > none of their medical personell got infected by (the SARS

> > virus). At

> > > the same time, Honkong Hospitals are starting to pay

close

> > attention

> > > to coordinating pei he the use of TCM materia medica with

> > Western

> > > medical treatments.

> > > >

> > > > Reporter: Do all people have to take Preventative TCM

> > materia

> > > medica ?

> > > >

> > > > Shen: We think that only those susceptible cohorts yi gan

> > ren qun

> > > who live in localities affected by the SARS epidemic; those

> > > suspected cases; those who frequent public places; as

well

> > as those

> > > whose natural immune system are weak should take

these

> > preventative

> > > TCM materia medica. At the same time, the dosage must

be

> > put under

> > > control. Generally, they can be administered for 7 days in a

> > row.

> > > Pregnant women and children can also be administered

with

> > an

> > > appropriate dose.

> > > >

> > > > Reporter: Does Ban Lan Gen preparations have any use

in

> > the

> > > prevention and treatment of SARS?

> > > >

> > > > Shen: The reason the people of Shanghai find Ban Lan

Gen

> > favour in

> > > their eyes qing lai is related to the prevention and

treatment of

> > > the l989 Hepatitis A epidemic. It cannot be denied that Ban

Lan

> > Gen

> > > has the therapeutic action of clearing heat and detoxify qng

re

> > jie

> > > du. However, whether it can be used to deal with SARS, we

> > have no

> > > scientific basis for this and no comparative examples.

Hence it

> > is

> > > quite difficult to confirm.