Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 > these are good points but I think you missed something here. Scheid writes " ....with medical books written in classical chinese " . This is different than studying the classics in the modern Chinese language form. That apparently is a whole other endeavor that the average or advanced Chinese medical student would not be required to do. Reading the original classics in the original form is the scholarly task you describe. doug > > > I have been wanting to address this issue as well. Scheid writes on pg. 73 > that one impetus for the development of textbook based university training in > TCm was the recognition that " unlike the scholar physicians of previous times > the young recruits for the chinese medical colleges .... did not possess the > intellectual skill necessary to work with medical books written in classical > chinese. " > > He goes on to explain that the first major textbook, outline of CM (zhongyixue > gailun) only included excerpts from the classics used to illustrate or ground > standard concepts. this has proved the model for all subsequent modern > textbooks. He then states that ADVANCED classes were developed in > various classics, with beijing taking the lead on the nei jing, the SHL in > chengdu, etc. > > this raise two points: > > 1. are our average students intellectually superior to the average chinese > student. if not, why would we expect our students to get the most benefit from > classical study as opposed to the more pragmatic oriented modern TCM > when their counterparts in China do not. > > 2. where does classical study belong in the program . I have always argued > that it is advanced, not core material. It may be the foundations of TCM, but it > is not possible to master in its own right by most people (including myself). so > the classics certainly cannot take precedence over TCM textbooks as core > material for the average student. the emphasis must be on excerpted classics > as in modern china. > > Now I know some of you will object to this. but you need to ask yourself, do > you really believe the vast majority of your current students would thrive on a > program centered on study of the classics. We can't educate to the lowest > common denominator, but we cannot educate to the highest either. We must > encompass the largest group in our umbrella. If we can train large numbers > of safe effective TCM practitioners this way, then all the better. classical study > in depth should be reserved for the doctorate. Jack Miller said recently that > he hopes that all PCOM grads tell him they don't need a doctorate to practice > effectively. He hopes those who are interested in research, translation and > advanced clinical specialization will come back for more, not because they > don't know enough to run a general practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Ed wrote " I just attended another one of Alon Marcus's workshops on Musculoskeletal Disorders. Kevin McNamee has a shorter similar course as well. My question is why are these courses _not taught_ as a basic in our schools. IMHO, its not now a question of quality dedicated teachers and readable reference books. [Alon, Kevin, Morris, Jim Ramholz, Z'ev, Andrew Wu and many others] The Qi is there. " I totally agree. We never covered most of the information in Alon's book. Our Western Medicine teacher, a doctor from the UK, knew all the information about neural pathways, but was discouraged from making his classes too difficult. The students had to get together and have Will fly out for a pulse seminar. The school let us meet on class grounds, but did not otherwise support that. In all fairness, our school has teachers who have the background to be very well-versed in , but I just think we could have done so much more in the three-four years I was there. Of course some students couldn't keep up as it was. There was an amazing amount of grousing. It would be nice if, as the schools grew, they had an accelerated track for those who learn more quickly. Just wishing! And speaking of wishing, new graduates (< than one year)in Austin typically see closer to five or seven patients a week then twenty. And some weeks not any at all. Sad but true. In states without insurance reimbursement, such as Texas, I think the treatments are usually offered at a lower cost as well. Most of us may be looking at a little less than $20,000 the first year. Gabrielle The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 They are in the modlue of clinical science at the university of Middlesex's TCM programme in the UK. We even have to do a full OSCE (practical examination-twice in a year) which includes a full lower, upper or cranial nerval examination upon volunteers along with a written exam. Other western based orthodox diagnostic examinations included respiratory, cardiovascular and abdominal examinations. I did have a comprehensive system checklist for all procedures but lost it in a pc crash. If anyone needs one, have a look at www.tcmcentral.com list. Its very good. Zai jian Attilio , Gabrielle Mathieu <gabriellemathieu> wrote: > Ed wrote > " I just attended another one of Alon Marcus's workshops on > Musculoskeletal > Disorders. Kevin McNamee has a shorter similar course as > well. My question > is why are these courses _not taught_ as a basic in our > schools. > > > IMHO, its not now a question of quality dedicated teachers > and readable > reference books. [Alon, Kevin, Morris, Jim Ramholz, > Z'ev, Andrew Wu > and many others] The Qi is there. " > > I totally agree. We never covered most of the information > in Alon's book. Our Western Medicine teacher, a doctor from > the UK, knew all the information about neural pathways, but > was discouraged from making his classes too difficult. The > students had to get together and have Will fly out for a > pulse seminar. The school let us meet on class grounds, but > did not otherwise support that. In all fairness, our school > has teachers who have the background to be very well-versed > in , but I just think we could have done so > much more in the three-four years I was there. Of course > some students couldn't keep up as it was. There was an > amazing amount of grousing. It would be nice if, as the > schools grew, they had an accelerated track for those who > learn more quickly. Just wishing! > > And speaking of wishing, new graduates (< than one year)in > Austin typically see closer to five or seven patients a > week then twenty. And some weeks not any at all. Sad but > true. In states without insurance reimbursement, such as > Texas, I think the treatments are usually offered at a > lower cost as well. Most of us may be looking at a little > less than $20,000 the first year. > > Gabrielle > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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