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, " Alon Marcus " wrote:

Reality is not perfection, and I have not met a practitioner that to

my satisfaction can pick up concrete pathological and verifiable

information from pulses in a consistent manner. If any of you can do

it I am willing to fly you to SF area and we can go to an inpatient

hospital take 30 patients with known diagnosis and have you do a

blind pulse reading and written report. I am still wandering why no

such study is being done in a controlled manner. We could publish

it.>>>

 

 

Alon:

 

When you do pulse diagnosis, you cannot arrive at a Western

diagnosis. A Western diagnosis will identify microscopic or

biochemical criteria, whereas the pulses cannot examine below the

features of say a small amount of tissue. A careful pulse diagnosis

takes about an hour. Like Western medicine, it has its threshold and

limitations.

 

But there is a great deal of overlap and often consistancy in pulse

features for particular diseases---what we sometimes call signatures

for a disease. One other complication is that WM may not diagnose a

problem that exists already because we are looking at two different

things and different scales. For example, often a patient's thyroid

test may read normal while they are displaying a pulse pattern for

hypothyroid and actually feeling its symptoms.

 

If, for example, we take a number of patients with the same known

disease we should be able to identify a pulse pattern in that

particular disease which will be similar in most, if not all,

patients. And knowing that pattern beforehand, you can find it in

patients before they disclose or know their problem. That is to say,

things like prostate hypertophy, diabetes, cancer, MS, etc., have a

fairly consistant appearence across the patient population.

 

In fact, Will Morris is already beginning to organize a pulse

conference for next year so we can compare diverse pulse systems and

coordinate this sort of information.

 

But if you read my article, " Organs and Their Associated Pulses, "

(it gives examples of how those overlaps can be found) and want to

spend money (while keeping Todd entertained), we can set something

like this up. For example, I've always wanted to look at a

substantial number of schizophrenic patients to confirm the pattern

that I've seen earlier in only a small sample of patients.

 

 

Jim Ramholz

[Guest guest]

I've seen such studies, done live, with Tibetan practitioners such as

Drs. Yeshe Dhonden and Lobsang Ropgay. I saw Dr. Ropgay feel pulses on

a group of pre-Western diagnosed cancer and AIDS patients here at UCSD,

and come to a correct (in Tibetan sense, in other words, a Tibetan

description of the type of cancer systematically)) diagnosis with each

of 18 patients, including one who didn't have cancer.

 

There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to do such studies.

 

 

 

> , " Alon Marcus " wrote:

> Reality is not perfection, and I have not met a practitioner that to

> my satisfaction can pick up concrete pathological and verifiable

> information from pulses in a consistent manner. If any of you can do

> it I am willing to fly you to SF area and we can go to an inpatient

> hospital take 30 patients with known diagnosis and have you do a

> blind pulse reading and written report. I am still wandering why no

> such study is being done in a controlled manner. We could publish

> it.>>>