Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Bob - The Visioning Search Task Force (VSTF) did have it's first of a series of three townhall meetings at the meetings in Safety Harbor sponsored by the AOMAlliance. AAOM and CSOMA sponsor the next two. The next one is at CSOMA Saturday August 3rd in San Francisco, and the final townhall meeting is at the AAOM meeting in Orlando, November 14-16. It would be good to have your opinions on record - maybe you can speak in the townhall at one of those meetings or submit written testimony. the same is true for others on this list. Will Morris I was at the National Alliance convention this last weekend where the Visioning Commission had a " Town Meeting " to hear in-put from the rank and file. It's interesting that so many people think things happen in the world because of logic and rationality on the one hand and righteousness and altruism on the other. In my experience, the bottom line question is, " What's in it for me? " I believe that monetary value and the flow of commerce is a main way of answering that question. I believe commerce shapes history as much (if not more) than any other factor. If an idea, product, or practice cannot/does not sell, then it does not matter how seemingly good or beneficial that idea, practice, or practice is. What matters is whether others perceive that idea, practice, or product has value to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 < May 23, 2004 9:38:54 AM PDT Tom Haines <thaines, dave molony <Acuman1, William R. Morris <will VSTF Gentlemen I read your article on VSTF in AT. I am not sure if you have invited NOMAA and AOMNC to participate in your final round of talks. I believe it would be a grave error to ignore these groups. Since VSTF was initiated, these two groups have been founded. While still nascent, I believe they have already risen to the level of important stakeholders. I know there is a lot of animosity between the current VSTF stakeholders and this new group, if the ongoing exchange of letters printed in AT is any indication. But do not be mistaken. These groups represent the views of a large number of practitioners, especially here in CA. A close look at their program reveals it is pretty much exactly what CSOMA and CAOMA were lobbying towards in last year's AB1943. I know the task force is national, but CSOMA and CAOMA represent more acupuncturists than all other national orgs combined. So if these groups have a similar agenda to NOMAA and AOMNC, these latter groups reflect the " vision " of a huge number of practitioners. NOMAA has also gained footholds in NM, NV and FL, three states I predict will adopt their program as one option. The current scandal at ACAOM will only strengthen NOMAA, BTW. One of the goals of the task force is to give greater involvement to practitioners in guiding the future of the profession. NOMAA has changed the landscape rapidly since VSTF was first convened. If this growing group of voices is left out of the process, the process will be delegitimized. I personally have nothing to gain either way. I do not belong to an organization because I prefer to maintain my journalistic integrity as much as possible. It is already compromised by my association with PCOM, a major stakeholder. However this secure job also gives me a certain amount of detachment. I will have a job whether we go doctoral or not. I also do not maintain a private practice, so issues of competition, workers comp, etc., do not affect my daily existence. While I understand why so many have reacted viscerally to NOMAA and AOMNC, I believe the positions of these groups and their patron saint, Deke Kendall, have been grossly misrepresented. It is clear that those who have promulgated these misrepresentations have either not read Deke's work or choose to intentionally distort it, no doubt to protect some threatened vested interests. I have read Deke's work cover to cover and have also read the detailed PDF of NOMAA's proposed OMD. I can say unequivocally that these documents show strong support for an acupuncture education rooted in a rigorous understanding of the classical texts. The desire to explain things as best possible in terms of science seems to be all most have heard. What they missed is that Deke and NOMAA are actually far stronger supporters of a classical, channel based acupuncture than any current program I am aware of. Most schools teach TCM, a form of herbology and reduce acupuncture to where it overlaps with herbal theory. NOMAA actually proposes a restoration of acupuncture training in all its ancient glory. This is a far cry from those who claim NOMAA would replace all TCM terms with western reductionisms. The fact is that Deke makes a strong case for his position and I really have yet to see even a single cogent rebuttal. Many of the smartest people in the field have rallied around Deke and that speaks volumes to me. The detractors seem to easily drift into quasi-religious metaphors that completely ignore the actual arguments Deke has made (and actually further strengthen his case). I would ask that you seriously consider allowing NOMAA to formally join this process or all your hard work will have been in vain. You may be interested in my review of Deke's work from my website: Deke Kendall proposes that the contents of the nei jing su wen are largely based upon anatomy. Yet, ironically as I read Deke, I have developed a newfound interest in classical acupuncture. While Deke may be dismissed as a reductionist, I think he is actually a great example of the trend espoused by Zhang xi chun and embodied by Jiao shu de. Maintaining the spirit of CM while integrating with the west. Deke most definitely accomplished that goal. His entire presentation of physiology and anatomy is completely from the perspective of Western Medicine serving Chinese, not vice-versa. He asserts that CM will be proven to be real just as it is written, not by scrapping large parts of the corpus to make it fit science (as the modern chinese did somewhat in their state texts). He believes every word of nei jing and he makes strong cases for pulse diagnosis and classical point selection that never made sense to me before. Far from reducing CM to prevailing reductionistic ideas, Deke shows that there is different way of understanding the neurovascular system and its role in health and disease and the neijing details that. His model explains all the effects of acupuncture satisfactorily and he attempts to ground his ideas in a reading of the classics. Rather than reducing CM with his model, Deke has actually paved the way for EXPANDING western science to accommodate explanations of phenomena hitherto inconceivable. I think work like Deke's is exactly what leads to a paradigm shift. The structures of normal science are challenged from within and a more expansive model is developed as a result. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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