Digest Number 1422, fibromyalgia case

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>depakote is an anti-seizure drug, sometimes used

for manic depressive disorder. . . does she have seizures ?

 

Zev, I think they have started prescribing Depakote for

pain was well.

 

 

>Lipitor is for high cholesterol.

I agree with Cara that the Lipitor could be aggravating the

symptoms. I am not that experienced, but I would start with

having her bring the pain (myalgia) issue up with the

internist and seeing if she can get off the Lipitor. After

all, how high is her cholestrol.(is it above

250?-otherwise, not so bad, IMO. And what is her HDL...)

See if you get can get her on red yeast or some herbal

pills to work on the cholestrol, so that her internist

doesn't give her a hard time about getting off this.

Emmanuel seems to know of a very effective cholestrol

lowering formula, although he didn't want to post it, as he

does not want to be perceived as endorsing a commercial

product. YOu could just e-mail him directly. Also, there is

a study on Medline for red yeast, so you can print that and

give it to her to give to her doctor).

 

I think the Klonopin helps a lot of people sleep. If they

don't sleep, they'll feel worse. I would leave that alone

for a while, since you can't treat everything at once, and

she will want relief from pain first of all. Patients who

have chronic pain and impaired mobility then get depressed

(hence the Effexor) and then get can't sleep (hence the

klnopin). Neurontin will also make her feel a little dopey,

but again, she can't reduce until her pain is controlled.

 

Start with the pain and getting her cholestrol under

control, see if she actually keeps coming, and then work on

the emotional problems once she is opening up to you. If

she's on propanolol, chances are she's got high blood

pressure and is of concern to her doctor as a future

stroke/myocardial infarcation, so if you can do some shen

calming ear points and get her bp to drop even a little the

doctor might not be so insistent on the Lipitor. Otherwise,

they are really getting the big push to prescribe this now.

 

That's my two cents worth.

Regards, Gabrielle

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Depakote plus neurontin is quite a combo for pain, no? Seems like

overkill.

 

 

On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:02 AM, Gabrielle Mathieu wrote:

 

>> depakote is an anti-seizure drug, sometimes used

> for manic depressive disorder. . . does she have seizures ?

>

> Zev, I think they have started prescribing Depakote for

> pain was well.

[Guest guest]

Regarding cholesterol lowering products in the market, Dr. Kang wrote a fairly simple but effective formula for Pacific Biologic (925-673-2967) that has seen some clinical trials now and is shown to have efficacy. Dr. Kang's own formula for lowering cholesterol (shan zhu, jue ming zi, he shou wu, tian qi, hu zhang, jiao gu lan, and lai fu zi) is available through Thorne Sales and Distribution .... check with Barry or Laura Thorne at naturec. This is in no way intended as an ad, but as a response to Gabrielle's post. There's no reason to be taking statin drugs when Chinese medicine has efficacy without the side-effects.

 

Bare in mind that Merck's research at UCLA looked at Chinese herbs and they ended up deriving the statin drugs. In my opinion Merck should not have patent rights with regard to these drugs but the appeals court feels otherwise. Such is the nature of medicine in America.

 

In service and gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

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Gabrielle Mathieu

Monday, May 12, 2003 10:02 AM

Re: Digest Number 1422, fibromyalgia case

>depakote is an anti-seizure drug, sometimes used for manic depressive disorder. . . does she have seizures ?Zev, I think they have started prescribing Depakote forpain was well. >Lipitor is for high cholesterol. I agree with Cara that the Lipitor could be aggravating thesymptoms. I am not that experienced, but I would start withhaving her bring the pain (myalgia) issue up with theinternist and seeing if she can get off the Lipitor. Afterall, how high is her cholestrol.(is it above250?-otherwise, not so bad, IMO. And what is her HDL...)See if you get can get her on red yeast or some herbalpills to work on the cholestrol, so that her internistdoesn't give her a hard time about getting off this.Emmanuel seems to know of a very effective cholestrollowering formula, although he didn't want to post it, as hedoes not want to be perceived as endorsing a commercialproduct. YOu could just e-mail him directly. Also, there isa study on Medline for red yeast, so you can print that andgive it to her to give to her doctor).I think the Klonopin helps a lot of people sleep. If theydon't sleep, they'll feel worse. I would leave that alonefor a while, since you can't treat everything at once, andshe will want relief from pain first of all. Patients whohave chronic pain and impaired mobility then get depressed(hence the Effexor) and then get can't sleep (hence theklnopin). Neurontin will also make her feel a little dopey,but again, she can't reduce until her pain is controlled. Start with the pain and getting her cholestrol undercontrol, see if she actually keeps coming, and then work onthe emotional problems once she is opening up to you. Ifshe's on propanolol, chances are she's got high bloodpressure and is of concern to her doctor as a futurestroke/myocardial infarcation, so if you can do some shencalming ear points and get her bp to drop even a little thedoctor might not be so insistent on the Lipitor. Otherwise,they are really getting the big push to prescribe this now.That's my two cents worth.Regards, GabrielleThe New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.http://search.The Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

Not strictly speaking a Chinese herbal approach, but if there are problems with the patient taking the herbs, very effective cholesterol control can be achieved with a combination of inositol hexaniacinate ("flush free" niacin, and without the liver problems of the time release form) 500 to 1000mg tid, panthethine 300mg tid, and (to sneak one herb in) guggul (e.g., Guggulmax tid).

Prof Neal White.

 

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Emmanuel Segmen

Monday, May 12, 2003 1:46 PM

Re: Digest Number 1422, fibromyalgia case

 

Regarding cholesterol lowering products in the market, Dr. Kang wrote a fairly simple but effective formula for Pacific Biologic (925-673-2967) that has seen some clinical trials now and is shown to have efficacy. Dr. Kang's own formula for lowering cholesterol (shan zhu, jue ming zi, he shou wu, tian qi, hu zhang, jiao gu lan, and lai fu zi) is available through Thorne Sales and Distribution .... check with Barry or Laura Thorne at naturec. This is in no way intended as an ad, but as a response to Gabrielle's post. There's no reason to be taking statin drugs when Chinese medicine has efficacy without the side-effects.

 

Bare in mind that Merck's research at UCLA looked at Chinese herbs and they ended up deriving the statin drugs. In my opinion Merck should not have patent rights with regard to these drugs but the appeals court feels otherwise. Such is the nature of medicine in America.

 

In service and gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

Gabrielle Mathieu

Monday, May 12, 2003 10:02 AM

Re: Digest Number 1422, fibromyalgia case

>depakote is an anti-seizure drug, sometimes used for manic depressive disorder. . . does she have seizures ?Zev, I think they have started prescribing Depakote forpain was well. >Lipitor is for high cholesterol. I agree with Cara that the Lipitor could be aggravating thesymptoms. I am not that experienced, but I would start withhaving her bring the pain (myalgia) issue up with theinternist and seeing if she can get off the Lipitor. Afterall, how high is her cholestrol.(is it above250?-otherwise, not so bad, IMO. And what is her HDL...)See if you get can get her on red yeast or some herbalpills to work on the cholestrol, so that her internistdoesn't give her a hard time about getting off this.Emmanuel seems to know of a very effective cholestrollowering formula, although he didn't want to post it, as hedoes not want to be perceived as endorsing a commercialproduct. YOu could just e-mail him directly. Also, there isa study on Medline for red yeast, so you can print that andgive it to her to give to her doctor).I think the Klonopin helps a lot of people sleep. If theydon't sleep, they'll feel worse. I would leave that alonefor a while, since you can't treat everything at once, andshe will want relief from pain first of all. Patients whohave chronic pain and impaired mobility then get depressed(hence the Effexor) and then get can't sleep (hence theklnopin). Neurontin will also make her feel a little dopey,but again, she can't reduce until her pain is controlled. Start with the pain and getting her cholestrol undercontrol, see if she actually keeps coming, and then work onthe emotional problems once she is opening up to you. Ifshe's on propanolol, chances are she's got high bloodpressure and is of concern to her doctor as a futurestroke/myocardial infarcation, so if you can do some shencalming ear points and get her bp to drop even a little thedoctor might not be so insistent on the Lipitor. Otherwise,they are really getting the big push to prescribe this now.That's my two cents worth.Regards, GabrielleThe New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.http://search.The Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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See if you get can get her on red yeast

>>>Red yeast mostly contain lipitor as well as other statins and bioflav. So i would use another statin before red yeast if that is the problem.

alon

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I see these 2 drugs px together, quite often, in patients at the Recovery

Center where I do some of my work. Many of the patients come to detox off

of harder pain meds like Oxycotin and methadone. In addition, most of the

patients are on anywhere from 5 to 15 drugs. Many of the drugs are to

counter the affects of other drugs they are taking.

 

Teresa

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Monday, May 12, 2003 10:31 AM

Re: Digest Number 1422, fibromyalgia case

 

 

> Depakote plus neurontin is quite a combo for pain, no? Seems like

> overkill.

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> On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:02 AM, Gabrielle Mathieu wrote:

>

> >> depakote is an anti-seizure drug, sometimes used

> > for manic depressive disorder. . . does she have seizures ?

> >

> > Zev, I think they have started prescribing Depakote for

> > pain was well.

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> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

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