Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 I have been having trouble posting from email today. anyone else. On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:03 AM, John R. Barber wrote: > Dear > > I posted this message to Chinese Herbal Medicine yesterday and I don't see > any sign of it. > > Is there any problem with posting to the group? > > Thanks in advance. > > John Barber > > > John R. Barber [johnbarber] > Sunday, May 18, 2003 7:35 PM > Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine > re: Metallic taste > > > > " Simon " at <s.becker wrotein response to " Dave " at > <seacell: > > ------- > > >>>Taste is due to Spleen and if someone had a metallic taste in their > > mouth that would be the LU expressing itself through the SP. Bitter > > taste would be HT expressing itself through SP.>>>>> > > > > > > The question here is: how does this influence your treatment. It sounds > > nice: the lung expressing itself through the spleen. What actually does > this > > mean in terms of treatment principles or disease mechanism? > > Simon Becker > > ------- > > > > Dave and Simon: > > > > I also attended the Jeffrey Yuen workshop last weekend here in L.A. In > reference to this point, he was discussing five elements according to the > Nan Jing, and difficulty 49 in particular. > > > > The idea is that each of the five zang is susceptible to damage by a > particular type of xie/evil, and has a characteristic way that it > expresses its pathology: heart=odor, spleen=taste, lung=sound/voice, > kidney=discharge/fluid, liver=color/complexion. (Note: this varies > slightly from other statements of correspondences, such as in some parts > of the Nei Jing) Further, transmission of the pathology of a zang to a > second zang will characteristically express a quality corresponding to > the second affected zang. > > > > Therefore, spleen xie/evil affecting the lung would express a taste > (spleen expression) of pungent/acrid/metallic (lung quality of taste). > Bob Flaws' " The Classic of Difficulties: A Translation of the Nan Jing " > is one reference for this. As a general mechanism, there is > an implication that other pathology of a zang, aside from that caused by > the specific xie/evil mentioned in the Nan Jing, can transmit to another > zang and express similarly. > > > > If you to a Nan Jing-based five elements approach, then you > would use this information diagnostically as support for the hypothesis > that there is spleen pathology which is entwined with the lung. However, > you would still need to consider the other diagnostic information and > determine (1) if the spleen and lung are the primary areas of pathology, > consistent with tongue, pulse, s/s, etc. (in particular, you would > expect the metal pulse position to be relaxed/slippery (earth quality), > indicating earth invading metal), (2) where excess and deficiency lie > within the spleen and lung, (3) which type of perverse/pathological five > element relationship holds (disease mechanism), and (4) which five > element treatment protocol to use to improve the situation (treatment > principle). > > > > Also, as a reference for a previous question as to the source of LU/LI > correspondence to metal and metallic taste etc., the Nei Jing seems to be > often-quoted. Maoshing Ni's " The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine " > is one reference for this, for example, chapters 2 and 4. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > John Barber > > Chinese Herbs " Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds " -- Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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