Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 < Mon May 19, 2003 11:41:30 AM US/Pacific <johnbarber Cc: cha Re: Chinese Herbal Medicine posting I have been having trouble posting from email today. anyone else. please = post from the website if your posts do not go through. On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:03 AM, John R. Barber wrote: Dear I posted this message below to Chinese Herbal Medicine yesterday and I don't see any sign of it. Is there any problem with posting to the group? Thanks in advance. John Barber John R. Barber [johnbarber] Sunday, May 18, 2003 7:35 PM Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine re: Metallic taste " Simon " at <s.becker wrotein response to " Dave " at < seacell: ------- >>>Taste is due to Spleen and if someone had a metallic taste in their mouth that would be the LU expressing itself through the SP. Bitter taste would be HT expressing itself through SP.>>>>> The question here is: how does this influence your treatment. It sounds nice: the lung expressing itself through the spleen. What actually does thi= s mean in terms of treatment principles or disease mechanism? Simon Becker ------- Dave and Simon: I also attended the Jeffrey Yuen workshop last weekend here in L.A. In reference to this point, he was discussing five elements according to the N= an Jing, and difficulty 49 in particular. The idea is that each of the five zang is susceptible to damage by a partic= ular type of xie/evil, and has a characteristic way that it expresses its pathol= ogy: heart=odor, spleen=taste, lung=sound/voice, kidney=discharge/fluid, liver= color/complexion. (Note: this varies slightly from other statements of correspondences, such as in some parts of the Nei Jing) Further, transmission of the pathology of a zang to a second zang will characteristically express a quality corresponding to the second affected zang. Therefore, spleen xie/evil affecting the lung would express a taste (spleen= expression) of pungent/acrid/metallic (lung quality of taste). Bob Flaws' = " The Classic of Difficulties: A Translation of the Nan Jing " is one reference fo= r this. As a general mechanism, there is an implication that other pathology of a zang, aside from that caused by the specific xie/evil mentioned in the Nan = Jing, can transmit to another zang and express similarly. If you to a Nan Jing-based five elements approach, then you would= use this information diagnostically as support for the hypothesis that ther= e is spleen pathology which is entwined with the lung. However, you would still= need to consider the other diagnostic information and determine (1) if the = spleen and lung are the primary areas of pathology, consistent with tongue,= pulse, s/s, etc. (in particular, you would expect the metal pulse position= to be relaxed/slippery (earth quality), indicating earth invading metal), (2) whe= re excess and deficiency lie within the spleen and lung, (3) which type of perverse/pathological five element relationship holds (disease mechanism), = and (4) which five element treatment protocol to use to improve the situati= on (treatment principle). Also, as a reference for a previous question as to the source of LU/LI correspondence to metal and metallic taste etc., the Nei Jing seems to be often-quoted. Maoshing Ni's " The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine " is = one reference for this, for example, chapters 2 and 4. Hope this helps. John Barber Chinese Herbs " Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds " --= Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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