fu xiao mai, bing lang ban?

[Guest guest]

I tried to order both fu xiao mai and bing lang today through mayway

and i was told that the former was banned by the FDA because of its

potentiality to be used as a crop (agriculture laws?) and the latter

banned because it is " toxic " . later on, i called asia natural

products and was able to order both of these herbs. Why are some

companies contacted and others not? also, what happens when the fda

bans an herb? who do they send letters to who and what are the

reasons they give? do they have to give reasons? is bing lang toxic

or just an hallucinigen in large doses? thanks in advance.

[Guest guest]

, " monbloch " <monbloch>

wrote:

> I tried to order both fu xiao mai and bing lang today through mayway

> and i was told that the former was banned by the FDA because of its

> potentiality to be used as a crop (agriculture laws?)

 

I suppose I could see that in some twisted way. What were you needing fu

xiao mai for?

 

and the latter

> banned because it is " toxic " .

 

it is used as a recreational drug in many parts of the world; it is known

colloquially as the betel nut

 

later on, i called asia natural

> products and was able to order both of these herbs. Why are some

> companies contacted and others not?

 

someone complains

 

also, what happens when the fda

> bans an herb?

 

it is illegal

 

who do they send letters to who and what are the

> reasons they give? do they have to give reasons?

 

yes

 

[Guest guest]

I was informed by the staff member who orders the herbs for our

pharmacy that Dafupi was unavailable due to some change in FDA

policy, so the Binglang ban doesn't surprise me.

 

robert hayden

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

Yesterday I tried to order Da Fu Pi from Mayway and was told it was banned.

I ordered it from Golden Flower Herbs, who also carried Fu Xiao Mai when

Mayway could not. I don't understand the ban on Da Fu Pi. I use Fu Xiao Mai

to make Gan Mai Da Zao Tang.

 

Julie

[Guest guest]

, Julie Chambers <info@j...> wrote:

> Dear Group,

>

> Yesterday I tried to order Da Fu Pi from Mayway and was told it was banned.

> I ordered it from Golden Flower Herbs, who also carried Fu Xiao Mai when

> Mayway could not.

 

maybe its a CA ban, not federal??

 

I don't understand the ban on Da Fu Pi. I use Fu Xiao Mai

> to make Gan Mai Da Zao Tang.

 

Isn't xiao mai a better choice inthat rx unless there is a sweating disorder?

 

[Guest guest]

> I don't understand the ban on Da Fu Pi. I use Fu Xiao Mai

> > to make Gan Mai Da Zao Tang.

>

 

 

Isn't xiao mai a better choice inthat rx unless there is a sweating

disorder?

 

Yes, that's true, but where do you get Xiao Mai? I only carry the Fu Xiao

Mai.

 

Julie

>

[Guest guest]

There are many reasons for disparities between companies. In Mayway's case, they tend to set themselves apart from other companies even though they order through the same Honk Kong distributors as others. They generally refuse to trade cooperatively with companies on shore here. Many other companies have the same channels for ordering containers or quite different channels for ordering containers of herbs. Yet we tend to trade cooperatively with each other and even give each other breaks on prices in order to present normal prices to our customers.

 

I kind of see it from my own perspective as a former pre-med and medical student. I was always part of a group who worked together and even made study materials available at our library so others could benefit from our charts and learning devices. Other "gunner" students would stand apart and compete for top honors. The latter type would often succeed less well on their own. My company is run by a Shanghai doctor and me a scientist with doctors, scientists and growers in China. We're not highly competitive business folks. My company like many (or most) other American companies is secure enough in what we're doing to trade with others and enjoy the experience of cooperation and common ground. In fact we encourage it among our "sister" companies. Most companies are not trying to "kill off" the competition. It's still our ideal to bring Chinese medicine to America ... not just to become "gloriously" rich. Chinese medicine is not where the money is ... it's where the labor of love is. CM is still new enough in America that it needs all the help it can get. Killer instinct competition is unwise in such a niche environment ... at least in my view.

 

Emmanuel Segmen

 

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monbloch

Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:20 PM

fu xiao mai, bing lang ban?

I tried to order both fu xiao mai and bing lang today through mayway and i was told that the former was banned by the FDA because of its potentiality to be used as a crop (agriculture laws?) and the latter banned because it is "toxic". later on, i called asia natural products and was able to order both of these herbs. Why are some companies contacted and others not? also, what happens when the fda bans an herb? who do they send letters to who and what are the reasons they give? do they have to give reasons? is bing lang toxic or just an hallucinigen in large doses? thanks in advance.Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

, " Emmanuel Segmen " <

susegmen@i...> wrote:

My company is run by a Shanghai doctor and me a scientist with doctors,

scientists and growers in China. We're not highly competitive business folks.

 

I do not fault Mayway for adopting an american model of business. It is their

right. They distribute a very high quality product and follow all US laws.

While I appreciate your labor of love as I also labor for peanuts, perhaps

Mayway long ago saw the writing on the walls. You don't survive in the global

market unless you profit. And if you don't survive, then you cannot

accomplish your mission, whatever that may be. I don't like it, but many

important things have been created by rich competitive people (including this

browser in which I write).

 

It has oft been stated that the successful capitalists succeed by giving the

market what it wants and needs. There were lots of little guys along the way,

but the world would not have access to the internet and personal computing if

not for one man and one company. Same thing for the railroads, automobiles.

I am not much of a capitalist myself, but I can't help but notice those guys get

things done. It remains to be seen as to what forces are actually remembered

by history as bring TCM to america.

 

So if it is a marketing ploy to sell correctly identified, sulfur-free,

sterilized

herbs, then I have been duped. I also do not see how Mayway not being able

to currently procure bing lang could be construed as some form of attempt to

kill off competitors. They lose market share by not having an herb available.

In fact, the likely reason mayway does not have bing lang is because they turn

over their herbs in such high volume. High volume suppliers tend to have

very fresh herbs and one thing many of us have noticed is that the appearance

of mayway herbs is often far superior to those available in local herb shops. I

for one, appreciate the quality.

 

[juliawulac]

Bing Lang is listed as carcinogenic under Proposition 65 of the California EPA's SAFE DRINKING WATER AND TOXIC ENFORCEMENT ACT OF 1986. This is why some companies no longer sell Bing Lang. However, it has not been officially banned.