DAOM entry or not

[Guest guest]

Jim -

 

Emperor's College has two graduates who just took positions at Cedars Sinai with privileges. Another graduate received privileges six months ago.

Will Morris

 

Are there other acupuncture practitioners at John Hopkins who are not an RN or do not have a degree from a WM school?

[Guest guest]

Hi! Emmanuel,

 

There is no supervision of my practice in Hopkins as an acupuncturist. They

were very friendly and accommodated when I began to work in Hopkins @ 2001.

They remodeled the exam room to the acupuncture treatment room, so I can use

moxa in the regular exam room. The medical director of our internal medicine

group only " supervise " me as a nurse practitioner. In fact, I don't need to

have his permission to make any medical treatment decisions, such as writing

prescriptions, order labs, and referrals. He is just available when I have

questions regarding complicated medical patients' treatment plan, when I work as

a nurse practitioner. I only practice acupuncture, moxa, and herb in Hopkins.

I don't practice Tui Na, because I didn't have any training on Tui Na in

Traditional Acupuncture Institute (TAI). However, I cannot practice as a NP and

acupuncturist at the same visit.

 

I graduated from Johns Hopkins nursing school @ 1996 with masters degree in

nursing, major in advanced practice nursing -adult nurse practitioner, and minor

in HIV/AIDS care. During the years in Hopkins, I worked as research

assistance/RN in Hopkins oncology center. Many of my research clients were

using acupuncture and herbs to reduce the side effect of chemo. They inspired

me to study acupuncture. Thus, I went to TAI for acupuncture training and

received master of acupuncture @ 2000. I have been practice as a nurse

practitioner since 1996 and acupuncturist since 2000. Now I am studying MBA -

business of medicine in Hopkins medical school.

 

Sincerely,

Ta-Ya Lee, CRNP, MSN, LAc, MAc

 

Johns Hopkins Community Physician

 

Perhaps Ta-Ya Lee can describe the protocols of supervision of her practice at

Johns Hopkins. As I understand it, you are listed as a physician at that most

prestigious of American institutions. And you practice Chinese medicine

(acupuncture, moxa, herbal formula prescription, tui na). Do I understand this

correctly? If this is true, then becoming a nurse practitioner and a licensed

CM practitioner was quite a wise choice on your part. According to my

understanding Johns Hopkins is listed in America every year as one the three

most prestigious medical schools and by far the single most prestigious nurse

practitioner schools. On top of that this August institution chose you, Ta-Ya,

after your training to work in their clinic as a physician. I'm most impressed.

How nice to have you on list to inform us of your work. How do you plead, Dr.

Lee? ;-)

 

Emmanuel Segmen

Merritt College, Asia Natural

[Guest guest]

, Ta-Ya Lee wrote:

I only practice acupuncture, moxa, and herb in Hopkins. I don't

practice Tui Na, because I didn't have any training on Tui Na in

Traditional Acupuncture Institute (TAI). However, I cannot practice

as a NP and acupuncturist at the same visit. >>>

 

 

Ta-Ya Lee:

 

Are there other acupuncture practitioners at John Hopkins who are

not an RN or do not have a degree from a WM school?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

[Guest guest]

Hi! Jim,

I am the only one to be hired as the regular medical staffs as nurse

practitioner/acupuncturist.

Hopkins employment insurance plan cover acupuncture treatments. Acupuncturists

have to pass the credential process in order to be one of the providers. It's

not easy to be in Hopkins insurance plan. It took me 3 months of waiting before

I can practice acupuncture in the office. There were 2 MDs with acupuncture

training who practice acupuncture in research setting in Hopkins.

 

Ta-Ya Lee, CRNP, LAc

Johns Hopkins Community Physician

 

>>> jramholz 06/05/03 10:46AM >>>

, Ta-Ya Lee wrote:

I only practice acupuncture, moxa, and herb in Hopkins. I don't

practice Tui Na, because I didn't have any training on Tui Na in

Traditional Acupuncture Institute (TAI). However, I cannot practice

as a NP and acupuncturist at the same visit. >>>

 

 

Ta-Ya Lee:

 

Are there other acupuncture practitioners at John Hopkins who are

not an RN or do not have a degree from a WM school?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Ta-Ya,

 

I believe you represent a special case in our community of medical practice in the U.S. I'm cheering you on as you proceed with your career. I'll be intrigued to see how you proceed with your next career steps after obtaining the MBA. Apparently Johns Hopkins is already bringing Chinese medicine into the mainstream of their health care delivery. You are then on the growing edge of this phenomenon. I, for one, thank you very much for carrying on in the direction you have taken as well as for maintaining a high degree of sensitivity and autonomy for each paradigm of WM and CM. I'm extremely impressed with you sense of integrity with each paradigm. Well done!

 

In gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

Hi! Emmanuel,There is no supervision of my practice in Hopkins as an acupuncturist. They were very friendly and accommodated when I began to work in Hopkins @ 2001. They remodeled the exam room to the acupuncture treatment room, so I can use moxa in the regular exam room. The medical director of our internal medicine group only "supervise" me as a nurse practitioner. In fact, I don't need to have his permission to make any medical treatment decisions, such as writing prescriptions, order labs, and referrals. He is just available when I have questions regarding complicated medical patients' treatment plan, when I work as a nurse practitioner. I only practice acupuncture, moxa, and herb in Hopkins. I don't practice Tui Na, because I didn't have any training on Tui Na in Traditional Acupuncture Institute (TAI). However, I cannot practice as a NP and acupuncturist at the same visit.I graduated from Johns Hopkins nursing school @ 1996 with masters degree in nursing, major in advanced practice nursing -adult nurse practitioner, and minor in HIV/AIDS care. During the years in Hopkins, I worked as research assistance/RN in Hopkins oncology center. Many of my research clients were using acupuncture and herbs to reduce the side effect of chemo. They inspired me to study acupuncture. Thus, I went to TAI for acupuncture training and received master of acupuncture @ 2000. I have been practice as a nurse practitioner since 1996 and acupuncturist since 2000. Now I am studying MBA - business of medicine in Hopkins medical school.Sincerely,Ta-Ya Lee, CRNP, MSN, LAc, MAcJohns Hopkins Community Physician Perhaps Ta-Ya Lee can describe the protocols of supervision of her practice at Johns Hopkins. As I understand it, you are listed as a physician at that most prestigious of American institutions. And you practice Chinese medicine (acupuncture, moxa, herbal formula prescription, tui na). Do I understand this correctly? If this is true, then becoming a nurse practitioner and a licensed CM practitioner was quite a wise choice on your part. According to my understanding Johns Hopkins is listed in America every year as one the three most prestigious medical schools and by far the single most prestigious nurse practitioner schools. On top of that this August institution chose you, Ta-Ya, after your training to work in their clinic as a physician. I'm most impressed. How nice to have you on list to inform us of your work. How do you plead, Dr. Lee? ;-)Emmanuel SegmenMerritt College, Asia Natural

[Guest guest]

, WMorris116@A... wrote:

> Emperor's College has two graduates who just took positions at

Cedars Sinai with privileges. Another graduate received privileges

six months ago. >>>

 

 

Will:

 

 

Sounds exciting. Can you tell us more about their positions and

roles?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

[Guest guest]

I would like to reinforce Bob's point here. From my own personal experience

while studying at the Number One Teaching Hospital in TianJin, China during

a brief 2 week visit with their Tui-Na clinic. I was not only laughed at by

the doctors and students but the patients as well. Albeit very very

politely. There were also two students from Switzerland who just started

their program and only observing. I'm sorry I did not get a chance to see

their work.

 

Another learning experience for me was while studying with their Stroke Unit

.. I saw the same 90 patients twice a day for 3 weeks. Part of their needle

prescription was Heart 1 (in the armpit) and Bladder 40 (behind the

knee)with strong stimulation. My reward came after almost a week when

finally one patient smiled and said yes I was getting better (at my

technique) as he almost jumped out of the bed.

 

Methinks it is the connection between the patient and the physician that is

center stage. while the foundation of knowledge and experience is the

vehicle.

 

Which comes first High Standards or High Proficiency?

 

Ed Kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA

 

 

Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:49:54 -0000

" Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001

Re: DAOM entry or not

 

, Marnae Ergil <marnae@p...>

wrote: > I absolutely agree with Rory, Alon and Will.

 

<<snipped>>> ....., I recently saw a graduate of Mercy College doing

" tuina. " If she had performed her rolling technique (guen fa) in front

of Dr. Ding Ji-feng or any of his students in Shanghai, she would've

been laughed out of the building. This graduate had " studied " tuina

but was not a proficient practitioner of that art.

<<ssnipped >>

Bob

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ta-Ya Lee:

How long have you been a NP & worked in that position at John Hopkins?

I ask because I am entering a physician assistant program this fall

and have been practicine acupuncture for 4 years. During the past 4

years I have not been able to even apply for the credentialing at the

local community hospital in our city.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Aris Skaliotis, M.Ac

> Hi! Jim,

> I am the only one to be hired as the regular medical staffs as

nurse practitioner/acupuncturist.

> Hopkins employment insurance plan cover acupuncture treatments.

Acupuncturists have to pass the credential process in order to be one

of the providers. It's not easy to be in Hopkins insurance plan. It

took me 3 months of waiting before I can practice acupuncture in the

office. There were 2 MDs with acupuncture training who practice

acupuncture in research setting in Hopkins.

>

> Ta-Ya Lee, CRNP, LAc

> Johns Hopkins Community Physician

>

> >>> jramholz 06/05/03 10:46AM >>>

> , Ta-Ya Lee wrote:

> I only practice acupuncture, moxa, and herb in Hopkins. I don't

> practice Tui Na, because I didn't have any training on Tui Na in

> Traditional Acupuncture Institute (TAI). However, I cannot practice

> as a NP and acupuncturist at the same visit. >>>

>

>

> Ta-Ya Lee:

>

> Are there other acupuncture practitioners at John Hopkins who are

> not an RN or do not have a degree from a WM school?

>

>

> Jim Ramholz

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! Aris,

I have been working as NP since 1996, and join Hopkins since 1/2002.

Each hospital have their own credentialing process. I believe Hopkins is one of

the most difficult one to pass the credential. It took them 3 months to review

my certification, previous job references, CV, and background check. If you

want to work in the clinic or hospital settings, they usually look at your

certification, such NCCAOM for acupuncture, and ANCC for NP. I have 2

certificates for NP and NCCAOM for acupuncture. I think PA have their own

certificate program.

 

Sincerely,

Ta-Ya Lee, CRNP, LAc

Johns Hopkins Community Physician

 

>>> askaliotis 06/06/03 02:51PM >>>

Hi Ta-Ya Lee:

How long have you been a NP & worked in that position at John Hopkins?

I ask because I am entering a physician assistant program this fall

and have been practicine acupuncture for 4 years. During the past 4

years I have not been able to even apply for the credentialing at the

local community hospital in our city.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Aris Skaliotis, M.Ac

> Hi! Jim,

> I am the only one to be hired as the regular medical staffs as

nurse practitioner/acupuncturist.

> Hopkins employment insurance plan cover acupuncture treatments.

Acupuncturists have to pass the credential process in order to be one

of the providers. It's not easy to be in Hopkins insurance plan. It

took me 3 months of waiting before I can practice acupuncture in the

office. There were 2 MDs with acupuncture training who practice

acupuncture in research setting in Hopkins.

>

> Ta-Ya Lee, CRNP, LAc

> Johns Hopkins Community Physician

>

> >>> jramholz 06/05/03 10:46AM >>>

> , Ta-Ya Lee wrote:

> I only practice acupuncture, moxa, and herb in Hopkins. I don't

> practice Tui Na, because I didn't have any training on Tui Na in

> Traditional Acupuncture Institute (TAI). However, I cannot practice

> as a NP and acupuncturist at the same visit. >>>

>

>

> Ta-Ya Lee:

>

> Are there other acupuncture practitioners at John Hopkins who are

> not an RN or do not have a degree from a WM school?

>

>

> Jim Ramholz

>

>

>

>