Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 At 12:16 AM -0700 6/5/03, wrote: >So if we do go the route of entry level DAOM, many longtime px will >be relegated to second class status unless they also are allowed to >use the title. And I do not believe they will be able to use the >title so easily. I personally do not support blanket grandfathering >without examination and neither does any state board in any medical >profession in many decades. Proof of CEU's would not suffice for me >either as we all know what a scam CEUs can be. If you want a >grandfathered license, you need to do the coursework or test out. >But this would mean that all current L.Ac. would have a window of >like 5 years to take the test or find a new job. that's pretty much >what pharmacists had to do in most states when pharm D. became the >licensing standard. If we institute a tiered system, instead of >getting stuck in some bizarre professional limbo for 40 years until >we wait for all the masters grads to die off, we will validate the >practices of existing licensees and make room for those who would >advance to the DAOM level. the entry level DAOM basically >invalidates the masters. -- I don't understand why you object to grand-fathering. California did this several years ago when it changed the title of the license from CA (certified acupuncturist) to LAc. We weren't asked to go back to school, even though the educational requirements had changed. What's so different if the license title is now changed to DAOM? Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 We weren't asked to go back to school, even though the educational requirements had changed. What's so different if the license title is now changed to DAOM?>>>>Rory the main thing in my mind it to have the DAOM in such a way that it is not just a peace or useless paper. If it is done with regionally accredited programs then I do not think it would be possible to just grand father people. If done like the MA programs I.a., not regionally accredited then it does not matter anyway. All one would have is a peace of paper that might allow them to call themselves Dr (depending on state laws). No advantage to the profession would come out of that at all, as all the old OMD and DOMs already know. alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 At 9:49 AM -0500 6/5/03, Alon Marcus wrote: Rory the main thing in my mind it to have the DAOM in such a way that it is not just a peace or useless paper. If it is done with regionally accredited programs then I do not think it would be possible to just grand father people. If done like the MA programs I.a., not regionally accredited then it does not matter anyway. All one would have is a peace of paper that might allow them to call themselves Dr (depending on state laws). No advantage to the profession would come out of that at all, as all the old OMD and DOMs already know. -- The difference between the old OMDs etc and a proposed DAOM license is that the OMD was nothing to do with licensing, and was not a transition to anything. A DAOM license that required a 4000 hour approved program to attain for new practitioners would be reputable. It wouldn't be made less reputable by grand-fathering current practitioners to the new license title. These grand-fathered practitioners would not be granted a doctorate degree, only the license title. If they want to get a doctoral degree, say for teaching purposes, that's another matter. My feeling is that the alternatives, ie any long term two tiered transition period, or requiring practitioners to go back to school, would be far more damaging to the profession, and very confusing to the public. I believe if we (all the constituencies involved) can collectively decide that this is the way to transition to the future, it will be a non-issue for the rest of society. After all, if you or I suddenly had DAOM after our names, would anyone really question question that that was appropriate? I think not. These things happen in new professions that are evolving and maturing, and we'd have no reason to feel defensive about it. Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 A DAOM license that required a 4000 hour approved program to attain for new practitioners would be reputable. >>>>Licensing has nothing to do with a degree such as DAOM, does it? alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 I think not. These things happen in new professions that are evolving and maturing, and we'd have no reason to feel defensive about it. >>>I agree alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 At 12:39 PM -0500 6/5/03, Alon Marcus wrote: >A DAOM license that required a 4000 hour approved program to attain >for new practitioners would be reputable. > >>>>Licensing has nothing to do with a degree such as DAOM, does it? -- DAOM could be either the title of a license, or the name of a degree, or both. Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Correct - we need to be very careful to differentiate between degree titles and licensure titles. At this point, a DAOM is ONLY a degree title and means nothing as far as licensure goes. IF the DAOM becomes entry-level, this still means nothing about licensure titles. In fact, states might decide to keep their current licensure titles but simply require a higher degree to get it. In this scenario, those who already have the license would most likely not lose it, but, unless they went back to school for the degree they could not use those letters after their name, nor could they use the title doctor. In fact, if the DAOM becomes entry level, it is unlikely that most states would also use that as a licensure title. A degree travels with the person who has it, to any state, a licensure title means nothing in another state. So, someone who is licensed as a DOM in New Mexico cannot call themselves a doctor in NY. That is a licensure title NOT a degree. But, if they have a DAOM degree, they may use the degree title anywhere. Marnae At 12:39 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: A DAOM license that required a 4000 hour approved program to attain for new practitioners would be reputable. >>>>Licensing has nothing to do with a degree such as DAOM, does it? alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 those who already have the license would most likely not lose it, but, >>>It would be illegal to take their licenses away alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 In a message dated 6/5/03 10:02:48 PM, marnae writes: So, someone who is licensed as a DOM in New Mexico cannot call themselves a doctor in NY. That is a licensure title NOT a degree. But, if they have a DAOM degree, they may use the degree title anywhere. Can they call themselves doctor if they had a DOM from Stuarts college in NM? David Molony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 At 05:30 PM 6/7/2003 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 6/5/03 10:02:48 PM, marnae writes: So, someone who is licensed as a DOM in New Mexico cannot call themselves a doctor in NY. That is a licensure title NOT a degree. But, if they have a DAOM degree, they may use the degree title anywhere. Can they call themselves doctor if they had a DOM from Stuarts college in NM? David Molony Sort of - now that there is an accredited degree it becomes trickier, but as I understand it, as long as it is an approved doctorate degree they can use the title - just as those who received their doctorate from Emperor's and SAMRA many years ago can use the title OMD. Marnae Groups Sponsor Enter Business/Category: And City, State: Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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