Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Bob Flaw wrote: > this particular book to support some of his opinions. I feel there is > an element of naive enthusiasm in the book. As Philippe's > English editor and translator over eight or nine books, and having > turned down several others, I'm pretty intimately familar with > Philippe's writing. From my point of view, Philippe is still very > young. Ken wrote: > The same is true, to a certain extent, with > the urge to criticize. In fact, it's a kind > of enzymatic action that must take place in > the metabolism of our social interactions if > the ideas that we consume and use to construct > the bodies of our knowledge are to be properly > broken down and taken up again. Ken, I'd agree, that the critical process is important- and that process is used in many academic disciplines, if not all of them - but writing a critical paper of an idea, etc. gives one the time to think over one's opinions many times - whereas writing an email can involve less thoughtful expressions, and is thus more dangerous... perhaps to be taken more lightly, but I know this is a very serious group. I think this email forum for idea exchange and criticism of ideas is great. However, I think the line should be drawn at personality and character. I would call Bob's above comment about Philippe a judgement of character. Now, if we could all be sure that Bob is the appropriate judge for Philippe's level of scholarship, then perhaps that would be ok. But I have no way of knowing which of them knows more about Chinese sources, nor do I care. I would rather see Philippe's book published and Bob's specific criticisms of specific ideas so that I can learn from both. To stymie everyone else's interest in a book you will not publish, but someone else may, is to go beyond your own right to refuse to publish, but also to insult the author and anyone else who chooses to publish it. To do that with a personality judgement is unneccesary. This is a behavioral choice- I had to go to the bookstore to try to find info about how to deal with intraprofessional conflict, and I didn't find anything. But I did find something on conflict and negotiation- the important line not to cross is into the personal. Attack ideas, but don't attack people, please. (By the way, I'm uncertain if there is such a thing as enthusiasm that is not naive- I was recently called naive by someone else- it's not fun- it's hard to defend yourself against a self-proclaimed authority/father-figure/expert.) A certain fellowship I know of makes the distinction between two types of elders- the " bleeding deacon, " and the " elder statesman. " The bleeding deacon has to be involved in everything, while the elder statesman steps back, lets people learn, and acts as a wise resource. One involves a kind of self-centered control, and the other requires humility, patience, and tolerance. Those last three are spiritual virtues, signs of good character. That isn't to say that elder statesmen don't step in when things are seriously out of control, but they don't see every little thing as a huge danger. B (If you have trouble identifying which B this is, check the email address above.) Brian Benjamin Carter, M.Sci., L.Ac. http://www.pulsemed.org/briancarterbio.htm Acupuncturist & Herbalist Editor, The Pulse of Oriental Medicine Columnist, Acupuncture Today (619) 208-1432 San Diego (866) 206-9069 x 5284 Tollfree Voicemail The PULSE of Oriental Medicine http://www.pulsemed.org/ The General Public's Guide to Chinese Medicine since 1999... 9 Experts, 240+ Articles, 195,000+ readers.... Our free e-zine BEING WELL keeps you up to date Sign up NOW. Send a blank email to: beingwellnewsletter- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 > To stymie everyone else's interest in a book you will not publish, but > someone else may, is to go beyond your own right to refuse to publish, but > also to insult the author and anyone else who chooses to publish it. Brian, You were the one who opened the door to this conversation. You stated an opinion, whether explicitly or implicity, on this forum, which is a public forum. As a member of this forum, I am entitled to my counter opinion and to the statement of that opinion. I was not trying to " stymie " or " insult " anybody, you or Philippe. As a member of this forum, I was stating my informed opinion about the work under discussion. I felt and still do feel that the author of this particular work has not yet sat with the materials long enough to present them in the mature way I (as editor) think would be best. (At least not in the form I originally saw 18 months or more ago.)If you do not like your opinions criticized by others, then you should not express them in such a public forum. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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