Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Hi Thomas et al, Firstly we're talking about children. Children are not just 'little adults' but are in fact quite different energetic beings. If Ken could tear himself away from Daoist sexual alchemy I would love to hear what he has to say on 'xiao er qi' or children's qi and I 'm sure he could explain it a lot better than I. Simply however, they have lots of fast moving qi in the exterior (ever taken a young childs pulse?) and they are mainly all about Spleen/Lung systems. At about age 7, other sytems start taking over in a more adult way. This isn't to say that you won't see a shen-jing deficient 6 month old, just hardly ever. Secondly because the Spleen is so important in children, diet is also very important, and in fact I think at least 50% of my child patients could be cured by change in diet alone. Foods are herbs(in our modern society), and become much stronger (for better or worse) medicinaly in children. So what is she eating? What are her tastes? In this case I suspect lots of dairy. I agree this is an ever bigger problem in our society but often I think the best approach is to give the parents the hard line 'unless you change her diet (and often the whole family actually changes) ...you're wasting my time' In this case i think there are a lot of Spleen def signs, however there is possibly some accumulation in ST/LI also..does she have red cheeks? Are her stools stinky? The fact that it is her ear, and that her emotions swing leads to LV/GB/Shaoyang signs. This is common in modern day children. Often pathogens get trapped half interior/half exterior..not properly released.(One of my colleages thinks this is due to vaccinations) Are her glands swollen or do they often swell and take a while to go down? Often by tonifying we can make the problem worse. So in my opinion the diagnosis would be one of Spleen qi def with some accumulation, and pathogen trapped in shaoyang. My advice would be firstly to treat through diet, and secondly through diet, and thirdly through herbs. A modified XCHT is appropriate;- chai hu 12 huang qin 9 (I would use in this case - the damp needs drying but agree with Cara that it is often good to modify) ban xia 6 sheng jiang 9 tai zi shen 12 (never use ren shen in children too strong - dang shen ok) yi yi ren 6 shan zha 9 ji nei jing 3 shen qu 9 bai zhu 12 fu ling 9 gan cao 3 Modify accordingly to the actual levels of accumulation, shaoyang pathogens... and equally third would be LL-laser, ear magnetic or 30sec needle reduction (best) on waiguan (TB5) Modify accordingly to the actual levels of accumulation, shaoyang pathogens... Richard ---------- --- Richard Henderson BSc BA DipAc ChT MNZRA TCM Physician Wellington New Zealand ---------- ---- > wrote: > Hi All, > > Nice to be back on this list after a long hiatus. Its good to > see it so active and to see the caliber of the list members. I > look forward to sharing with the list. To that end I would like > to present a bit of a challenge (at least for me) and hope > someone out there has some experience with this problem. > > I have a 5 year old patient with excessive ear wax. The > parents have tried > ear candles and hydrogen peroxide washes but the wax keeps on > comin'. Does > anyone have any other suggestions herbal or otherwise? > > 5 yo female > aprox. 18 kg > poor appetite with varying tastes > tends to be whiny and can change from one extreme emotion to > another, quickly > active, inquisitive, intelligent > tends to carry coughs longer than children > no none allergies (parents have tried cutting out all the > major allergens) > all bodily functions seemingly normal (except the appetite) > tongue slightly pale and swollen > pulse slippery > > I am currently giving her a Liu Jun Zi Tang and have taught > the parents some simple tui na. > > thanks, > thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Agreed - diet, diet, diet, and if there is some lingering food stag, get rid of it before you try to supplement too much. Marnae At 01:45 AM 6/18/2003 +1200, you wrote: Hi Thomas et al, Firstly we're talking about children. Children are not just 'little adults' but are in fact quite different energetic beings. If Ken could tear himself away from Daoist sexual alchemy I would love to hear what he has to say on 'xiao er qi' or children's qi and I 'm sure he could explain it a lot better than I. Simply however, they have lots of fast moving qi in the exterior (ever taken a young childs pulse?) and they are mainly all about Spleen/Lung systems. At about age 7, other sytems start taking over in a more adult way. This isn't to say that you won't see a shen-jing deficient 6 month old, just hardly ever. Secondly because the Spleen is so important in children, diet is also very important, and in fact I think at least 50% of my child patients could be cured by change in diet alone. Foods are herbs(in our modern society), and become much stronger (for better or worse) medicinaly in children. So what is she eating? What are her tastes? In this case I suspect lots of dairy. I agree this is an ever bigger problem in our society but often I think the best approach is to give the parents the hard line 'unless you change her diet (and often the whole family actually changes) ...you're wasting my time' In this case i think there are a lot of Spleen def signs, however there is possibly some accumulation in ST/LI also..does she have red cheeks? Are her stools stinky? The fact that it is her ear, and that her emotions swing leads to LV/GB/Shaoyang signs. This is common in modern day children. Often pathogens get trapped half interior/half exterior..not properly released.(One of my colleages thinks this is due to vaccinations) Are her glands swollen or do they often swell and take a while to go down? Often by tonifying we can make the problem worse. So in my opinion the diagnosis would be one of Spleen qi def with some accumulation, and pathogen trapped in shaoyang. My advice would be firstly to treat through diet, and secondly through diet, and thirdly through herbs. A modified XCHT is appropriate;- chai hu 12 huang qin 9 (I would use in this case - the damp needs drying but agree with Cara that it is often good to modify) ban xia 6 sheng jiang 9 tai zi shen 12 (never use ren shen in children too strong - dang shen ok) yi yi ren 6 shan zha 9 ji nei jing 3 shen qu 9 bai zhu 12 fu ling 9 gan cao 3 Modify accordingly to the actual levels of accumulation, shaoyang pathogens... and equally third would be LL-laser, ear magnetic or 30sec needle reduction (best) on waiguan (TB5) Modify accordingly to the actual levels of accumulation, shaoyang pathogens... Richard ---------- --- Richard Henderson BSc BA DipAc ChT MNZRA TCM Physician Wellington New Zealand ---------- ---- > wrote: > Hi All, > > Nice to be back on this list after a long hiatus. Its good to > see it so active and to see the caliber of the list members. I > look forward to sharing with the list. To that end I would like > to present a bit of a challenge (at least for me) and hope > someone out there has some experience with this problem. > > I have a 5 year old patient with excessive ear wax. The > parents have tried > ear candles and hydrogen peroxide washes but the wax keeps on > comin'. Does > anyone have any other suggestions herbal or otherwise? > > 5 yo female > aprox. 18 kg > poor appetite with varying tastes > tends to be whiny and can change from one extreme emotion to > another, quickly > active, inquisitive, intelligent > tends to carry coughs longer than children > no none allergies (parents have tried cutting out all the > major allergens) > all bodily functions seemingly normal (except the appetite) > tongue slightly pale and swollen > pulse slippery > > I am currently giving her a Liu Jun Zi Tang and have taught > the parents some simple tui na. > > thanks, > thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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