Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? Can anyone recommend it? Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 I have it. But I've hardly had tome to crack it. Some of the comparisons are quite nice. for instance: wu jia pi has comparisons for lumbar aching due to liv/kid def - mu gua/niu xi Lumbar pain and leg heaviness: du zhong and sang ji sheng Wind-cold -damp bi: fang feng and wei ling xian Swelling and pain in Leg Qi: zi su ye (!!??) wu zhu yu, bing lang , sheng jiang. -- Has anyone here used su ye and wu zhu yu for leg qi, and if so- please enlighten me. Anyway- subtle distinctions between similar herbs can mean the difference in results and really good results. So I'll play with it and see. Cara O. Frank, R.Ac herbbabe China Herb Company > " James Ramholz " <jramholz > > Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:49:14 -0000 > > Chinese Materia Medica > > Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new > book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? > > Can anyone recommend it? > > > Jim Ramholz > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 , " James Ramholz " <jramholz> wrote: > Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new > book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? > > Can anyone recommend it? > > > Jim Ramholz I think it is a great book... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 James wrote: > Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? > > Can anyone recommend it? > Jim Ramholz Julie responds: James, I'm surprised at your question...I've had this book for months, and I'm sure its been discussed on this list before. People have praised its citing of research and its comparison tables. > I just got another new book: Chinese Herbal Medicines: Comparisons and Characteristics, by Yifan Yang. I like it a lot. It is all about comparisons, and it has fun bar-graph type tables for each category showing the relative strength and weakness, as well as temperatures, of the herbs. I'll scan and attach a sample table so you can see what I mean. It is also written in a question and answer style that makes it seem useful for classroom teaching. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 , Julie Chambers wrote: > I'm surprised at your question...I've had this book for months, and I'm sure its been discussed on this list before. People have praised its citing of research and its comparison tables. >>> Julie: Thanks. I got an advertisement for it in the mail today. Guess I don't get out enough. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 I was given a review copy, and I can't really recommend it, basically because it adds nothing new to the Bensky Materia Medica. Why buy another book without additional information? It pales next to the Jiao Shu-de text ( " Ten Lectures on Medicinals " ). On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 05:49 PM, James Ramholz wrote: > Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new > book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? > > Can anyone recommend it? > > > Jim Ramholz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 , " James Ramholz " <jramholz> wrote: > Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new > book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? > > Can anyone recommend it? > > > Jim Ramholz Hmmm. we talked about this a while back. I like it. It has good charts and citations and different dose ranges than bensky. but it essentially covers the same territory as Bensky does without much new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 > > Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new > > book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? > > > > Can anyone recommend it? > > > > > > Jim Ramholz Really good book. Lots of comparisons of functions. Unlike the Bensky text this book connects the herb's functions with herbal combinations making it more clinicaly useful. Excellent indexing. There are eight separate indexes including an index of comparisons of functions. Very useful. Warren Sheir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 , " wsheir " wrote: > Really good book. Lots of comparisons of functions. Unlike the > Bensky text this book connects the herb's functions with herbal > combinations making it more clinicaly useful. Excellent indexing. > There are eight separate indexes including an index of comparisons > of functions. Very useful. Z'ev, Warren: Thanks for your feedback. For some reason I didn't put two and two together that this was the book the group mentioned earlier. In any case, I will follow Z'ev's recommendation to get 10 Medicinals. If the Chinese Materia Medica shows a large of combinations, I will pick that up as well. Studying simple combinations is the way we orginally studied herbs; then building larger formulas. Now many of my formulas contain 30 or more herbs. Studying combinations of points in acupuncture is essential, too; that's why I chose Deadman's text when I taught Point Theory. In fact, that's also the way we build more detailed and complex pictures in pulse diagnosis. Has anyone been reading Unschuld's new survey of the Suwen? Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Z'ev and Jim - I have been reading the text and it is dense! And it is slow. I had hoped for an improvement to my China Science and Technology press version of the Nei Jing but alas - no. The latter has characters for immediate reference on all passages, and it is complete. That said, Unschuld's commentary based on his vast experience as a translator is insightful. Will I have, but for some reason, it is slow going. More dense than his other books. Very valuable just the same. On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 11:25 PM, James Ramholz wrote: > Has anyone been reading Unschuld's new survey of the Suwen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 This is a very popular book here at NESA and the book always has a wait list. I think this is the case because it's a good resource when you're going back looking for single herbs to modify a formula. I've noticed that most the students who are on the wait list are in herbal clinic or in the formulas class... I myself like the comparisons and the new references to Chinese language research. I also like tabular format at the beginning of the chapters where the individual herbs are noted in brief (but not as brief as Bensky's tables). It's well indexed. My only complaint is that the combinations don't reference the base formula or text/source from which it is drawn. Della Della Lawhon, MAOM, Lic Ac, Kelly Library New England School of Acupuncture 40 Belmont St Watertown, MA 02472 617-926-3969 dlawhon James Ramholz [jramholz] Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:49 PM Chinese Materia Medica Anyone get a chance to see a preview of Xu Li and Wang Wei's new book, Chinese Materia Medica: Combinations and Applications? Can anyone recommend it? Jim Ramholz Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 I have, but for some reason, it is slow going. More dense than his other books. Very valuable just the same. On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 11:25 PM, James Ramholz wrote: > Has anyone been reading Unschuld's new survey of the Suwen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 , WMorris116@A... wrote: > I have been reading the text and it is dense! And it is slow. I had hoped for an improvement to my China Science and Technology press version of the Nei Jing but alas - no. The latter has characters for immediate reference on all passages, and it is complete. That said, Unschuld's commentary based on his vast experience as a translator is insightful. >>> Will, Z'ev: So far, I've only gone through Unschuld's appendix on the 5-Phase material from Chapters 66 and following---just one time. It's been interesting to compare not just the 4 seasonal changes but trying to look at the general changes in the pulse made during the various steps too. Later, it will be interesting to compare Unschuld's comments to my teacher's translations and commentaries during class. Another student and I taped many of them. I have about 75 hours of audio tapes of my teacher's Nei Jing comments, and another 150 hours of his Suwen commentary. I'm slowly converting them to digital format since some of the tapes are more than 20 years old. Maybe between them, it will all make sense. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 I have to agree with you, Warren, on the charts and indexes, they are very well done. But couldn't the authors improve on the basic material in Bensky? There is so much material in Chinese that would be so helpful to Western practitioners that remains untranslated. On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 10:20 PM, wsheir wrote: > Unlike the > Bensky text this book connects the herb's functions with herbal > combinations making it more clinicaly useful. Excellent indexing. > There are eight separate indexes including an index of comparisons > of functions. Very useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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