Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 fullness without repletion The other night I went on an obsessive analysis of these 3 words. (which I will post if ever finished.) Armed with my Wiseman Dictionary one problem I found was that fullness was defined as Man in this book. The reference is to Ban Xia xie xin tang a Pi issue which is exactly as defined by Joseph, without signs other than the patient's subjective feeling. Pi is defined as " aggregation " . So I'm still not quite sure I agree with the sentence. How can you have stagnation without excess? But then again I'm still working on the definition of repletion. :-) Doug >>>> fullness and repletion >>>> I think you a mixing symptom/sign with diagnosis > alon<<< > > Alon, > I don't know why my letters are suddenly typing so large. Anyway, > perhaps you > are right, but I am just quoting Craig Mitchell. To me, these are both > symptoms, the lack of repletion perhaps overlapping into a sign or > combo > symptom/sign. " Fullness " refers to the glomus which a patient > experiences as a strong > bloating sensation in the epigastrium. " Without repletion " refers to > the fact > that the epigastrium does not feel hard to the patient and is not > worsened on > palpation pressure applied either by the patient or the practitioner. > As I > understand it. > Joseph Garner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 Doug, Which is why, I think, Wiseman chose the word "repletion" to replace "excess." Repletion does not necessarily mean there is too much of something. To me it speaks more to the quality of experience than to quantity. You can have a "ghost in the machine," if you will, which interferes and blocks function without really being "there." Joseph >>>fullness without repletion The other night I went on an obsessive analysis of these 3 words. (which I will post if ever finished.) Armed with my Wiseman Dictionary one problem I found was that fullness was defined as Man in this book. The reference is to Ban Xia xie xin tang a Pi issue which is exactly as defined by Joseph, without signs other than the patient's subjective feeling. Pi is defined as "aggregation". So I'm still not quite sure I agree with the sentence. How can you have stagnation without excess? But then again I'm still working on the definition of repletion. :-) Doug >>>> fullness and repletion >>>> I think you a mixing symptom/sign with diagnosis > alon<<< > > Alon, > I don't know why my letters are suddenly typing so large. Anyway, > perhaps you > are right, but I am just quoting Craig Mitchell. To me, these are both > symptoms, the lack of repletion perhaps overlapping into a sign or > combo > symptom/sign. "Fullness" refers to the glomus which a patient > experiences as a strong > bloating sensation in the epigastrium. "Without repletion" refers to > the fact > that the epigastrium does not feel hard to the patient and is not > worsened on > palpation pressure applied either by the patient or the practitioner. > As I > understand it. > Joseph Garner<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 Alon, I don't know what you mean by this statement: "And why Fullness if even better." Also, let me elaborate on what I said, to be precise (and let's be precise). As I see it, realistically, vacuity and repletion both refer to quantity and/or quality of substance and/or function. There, now I can sleep tonight. God help me, I think I'm starting to "get" Wiseman. Yours foxily mounting as always, Joseph Garner >>>To me it speaks more to the quality of experience than to quantity. >>>>And why Fullness if even better alon<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 To me it speaks more to the quality of experience than to quantity. >>>>And why Fullness if even better alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 And why Fullness if even better." Also, let me elaborate on what I said, to be precise (and let's be precise). As I see it, realistically, vacuity and repletion >>>>Perhaps its my English but i cant see saying in feel replete alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 A perfect example is qi repletion in the channels, which doesn't necessary have any substance associated with it. How can you have an excess of something which is not measurable physically? On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 10:44 AM, acugrpaz wrote: > Doug, > Which is why, I think, Wiseman chose the word " repletion " to replace > " excess. " Repletion does not necessarily mean there is too much of > something. To me it speaks more to the quality of experience than to > quantity. You can have a " ghost in the machine, " if you will, which > interferes and blocks function without really being " there. " > Joseph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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