Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Todd: I was wondering what formulas you found useful for these presentations. I use ginger baths for deep latent cold, also small amounts of ma huang with medicinals that guide to the interior. I really like the concepts of Liu Baoyi in this regard. I apply medicinals that clear the pathogen from the area where it is trapped. Or, I use a guide to take an herb with a particular function to that area. When it comes to latent pathogens trapped in the mo yuan, I use portions of lei shi xuan tou mo yuan fa, this is because patients with pathogens trapped in the mo yuan rarely exhibit the full pattern for prescribing this formula. The pulse is examined in the mo yuan area, which is in the distal aspect of the area between the stomach and lung (Dr Shen's diaphragm pulse) - in other words, roll into the distal aspect of the diaphragm; this is the location of the mo yuan, that is, between the diaphragm and the pleura. Other formulas include shao yang stage prescriptions such as huang qin tang or xiao chai hu tang. I have also used dao chi san combined with yin qiao san getting particularly good results. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Will, On the ma huang/ ginger thread. I really love yang he tang for latent cold. Will, I think it was on this list, but may have been the pulse list that we discussed my idea that yang he tang treats divergent channels. Cara > > I use ginger baths for deep latent cold, also small amounts of ma huang with > medicinals that guide to the interior. I really like the concepts of Liu Baoyi > in this regard. I apply medicinals that clear the pathogen from the area where > it is trapped. Or, I use a guide to take an herb with a particular function to > that area. When it comes to latent pathogens trapped in the mo yuan, I use > portions of lei shi xuan tou mo yuan fa, this is because patients with > pathogens trapped in the mo yuan rarely exhibit the full pattern for > prescribing this formula. The pulse is examined in the mo yuan area, which is > in the distal aspect of the area between the stomach and lung (Dr Shen's > diaphragm pulse) - in other words, roll into the distal aspect of the > diaphragm; this is the location of the mo yuan, that is, between the diaphragm > and the pleura. > > Other formulas include shao yang stage prescriptions such as huang qin tang or > xiao chai hu tang. I have also used dao chi san combined with yin qiao san > getting particularly good results. > > Will > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 I use ginger baths for deep latent cold >>>How do you define latent cold Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 In a message dated 7/3/2003 10:49:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, herbbabe writes: On the ma huang/ ginger thread. I really love yang he tang for latent cold. Will, I think it was on this list, but may have been the pulse list that we discussed my idea that yang he tang treats divergent channels. Hi Cara - It was the pulse list, and I agree with you, that is a great formula for such problems.... Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 In a message dated 7/3/2003 12:00:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, alonmarcus writes: How do you define latent cold Latent cold chronic recurrent condition with a cold pathogen in the etiology that may have heat in the symptom picture due to compensatory pathophysiology. In other words, there remains signs of cold at the interior that tend to be masked by the heat. This could be a deep tight pulse. The problem with this finding is that the tight pulse is one few people seem to understand. Palpation could reveal cold in the channels, or other signs of cold such as pain quality or elucidation through history. Regardless, there must be a confluence of signs and symptoms to reach such a conclusion. best regards - Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Hi Cara - It was the pulse list, and I agree with you, that is a great formula for such problems.... >>>>I also mixed great with high doses of fu zi and then used for Bi syndromes with yin-def Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 there remains signs of cold at the interior that tend to be masked by the heat. This could be a deep tight pulse. >>>>Will would the tightness have a more of a wider quality and include the whole vessels as compared to a more wiry pulse? Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.