Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 , " " wrote: > Like Michael Broffman, however, Jiang Jing has little public expression to draw on. >>> Z'ev: To the contrary. While Jiang Jing retired from teaching and treating patients after many years of public life, my articles [many of which available in this forum's file section] and seminars are a continuation and an explication of the Dong Han pulse system. Even much of what has been considered unique or secret in that tradition is being learned by my students. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 But Jiang Jing himself has released no articles in several years. On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 11:12 PM, James Ramholz wrote: > , " " wrote: >> Like Michael Broffman, however, Jiang Jing has little public > expression to draw on. >>> > > > Z'ev: > > To the contrary. While Jiang Jing retired from teaching and treating > patients after many years of public life, my articles [many of which > available in this forum's file section] and seminars are a > continuation and an explication of the Dong Han pulse system. Even > much of what has been considered unique or secret in that tradition > is being learned by my students. > > > Jim Ramholz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 , " " wrote: > But Jiang Jing himself has released no articles in several years.>>> True; but I have. I was given a Dong Han lineage medical name in 1991. The tradition and the practice continues. I can explain and demonstrate any concept in the tradition---but probably not as well as he did. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 I can understand and appreciate your lineage certification and apprenticeship, but I don't think many people on this list have the details of what that means. What is the Dong Han lineage? What is unique about this particular school? There are no source materials in any of yours or Jiang Jing's articles cited from Korean language, and no English translations of essential Korean works. While Korean medicine is a derivative of Chinese medicine, as is the Japanese, it would be helpful to know how the Koreans have assimilated and naturalized the medicine and how it therefore differs from mainland Chinese medicine. Many of the ideas in yours and Jiang Jing's articles are quite interesting, but there is no way to follow up on the information given, except to accept as is. Source materials are essential for that process. I did a year of post-graduate work at Emperor's many years ago, and took a class with Dr. Kim (the director) where he read from the Korean version of the " Golden Mirror of Medicine'. It was quite interesting, and I picked up a lot from it. I wish more of this kind of material was available. On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 11:37 PM, James Ramholz wrote: > , " " wrote: >> But Jiang Jing himself has released no articles in several > years.>>> > > > True; but I have. I was given a Dong Han lineage medical name in > 1991. The tradition and the practice continues. I can explain and > demonstrate any concept in the tradition---but probably not as well > as he did. > > > Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 , " " wrote: >>>> There are no source materials in any of your or Jiang Jing's articles cited from Korean language, and no English translations of essential Korean works. >>> Keep in mind that what has become the Dong Han system is primarily a development based on Jiang Jing's own interpretation of the classics and his clinical work; most of what is discussed was not even conceivable until the 20th century. So, it isn't a review or reworking of historical Korean matieral. In my articles, which are a presentation, explication, and interpretation of the Dong Han system, I try to track where these ideas reflect and emerge from the classical matterial. I'm in the process of archiving the audio tapes we used to record his classes in a digital format. There's about 100 tapes with commentary on the Nei Jing, about 20 more on pulses, plus a number of miscellaneous tapes of case histories and other topics. I will use this material to develop other articles and, I hope, finish a book on the Dong Han system next year. He said his own teacher was able to read pulses down to the details of the 9-sector methods found in the Nei Jing and Mai Jing. Jiang Jing himself expanded on the classical pulse material by developing a 27- and 81-sector method, Yunchi method, 8-Extra method (different from the classics), event time calculation, integration with Western medical interpretation, and other concepts. I contributed only several minor pulse ideas to the Dong Han system---a shortcut method to check thyroid function, and a method of calculating past events employing an idea from the 60-year calendar. >>> Many of the ideas in yours and Jiang Jing's articles are quite interesting, but there is no way to follow up on the information given, except to accept as is. Source materials are essential for that process. >>> Outside of my articles and seminars, the only way I know to follow up is to apply and test these ideas in clinical practice. My students have been able to learn and successfully apply these ideas in their own clinical practices; just as I did from Jiang Jing. >>> I did a year of post-graduate work at Emperor's many years ago, and took a class with Dr. Kim (the director) where he read from the Korean version of the " Golden Mirror of Medicine'. It was quite interesting, and I picked up a lot from it. I wish more of this kind of material was available. >>> What did you find the most interesting? Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 The material I found most interesting in that class was when he would have our small group of students diagnose without asking questions, by pulse, complexion, sound of voice, and other non-verbal factors. He would then read from the Golden Mirror to comment on our efforts. On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 04:15 PM, James Ramholz wrote: > >>>> I did a year of post-graduate work at Emperor's many years ago, > and took a class with Dr. Kim (the director) where he read from the > Korean version of the " Golden Mirror of Medicine'. It was quite > interesting, and I picked up a lot from it. I wish more of this kind > of material was available. >>> > > What did you find the most interesting? > > Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Jim, It was not a trick question. I'm just looking for information. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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