Guest guest Posted July 12, 2003 Report Share Posted July 12, 2003 Hi Bob, Thank you so much! When I was in China a Liver specialist used this formula for Obstruction of Blood. I assumed I would find it in Bensky and never thought to ask for the ingrediants. I have a patient with stage 4 cirrosis with an enlarged spleen, who is also menopausal. I am looking to modify this formula for her. Her pulse is slippery on the right and thready on the left, with a sinking feeling in the liver position. Her tongue is showing markable viens crawling from beneath the tongue into the liver area on the right. All the best, Teresa - " Bob Damone " <bdamone Saturday, July 12, 2003 2:45 PM Bie Jia Jian Wan > Hi Theresa, > > Bie Jia JIan Wan was introduced in the 4th Chapter of the Golden Coffer > (Jin Gui Yao Lue Fang Lun), which discusses Malaria. Its main functions > are to move blood and quicken blood, dispel dampness and transform > phlegm, and to soften hardness and disperse concretions. It was > originally used for a condition called " Malaria Mother (Nue Mu) " , in > which, owing to enduring malaria, malaria evil lodges in the lesser > yang, mutually binds with depressed and static qi and blood, and forms > concretions and conglomerations below the ribs. In modern practice, it > is used for firmness and hardness below the ribs (hepatomegaly, > splenomegaly) arising in the course of many different diseases. > > The ingredients are listed below: > > Bie Jia > Wu Shan (another name for she gan) > Huang Qin > Shu Fu (Sow Bugs) > Gan Jiang > Da Huang > Gui Zhi > Shi Wei > Hou Po > Qu Mai > Zi Wei (Probably Zi Wei Gen?, Campsis Grandiflora) > E Jiao > Chai Hu > Qiang Lang (Dung Beetle) > Shao Yao (Peony, white or red) > Mu Dan Pi > Zhe Chong (Tu Bie Chong) > Feng Ke (Wasp Nest) > Chi Shao- this is Niter or saltpeter (Not Chi Shao) > Tao Ren > Ren Shen > Ban Xia > Ting Li (Decsuraniae seu Lepidii) > > Bob Damone, M.S., L.Ac. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2003 Report Share Posted July 13, 2003 Hi Bob or anyone, Do you know what the function, and temperature of the following are (cannot find in Bensky), also dosage range would be great! Do you think I will be able to get these items at DXD? Shu Fu -- Sow Bugs qiang lang (Dung beetle) Feng Ke (wasp nest) Chi Shao-that is Niter or saltpeper BTW is there another recommeded translated Materia Matica, besides Bensky. Thanks, Teresa > Hi Theresa, > > Bie Jia JIan Wan was introduced in the 4th Chapter of the Golden Coffer > (Jin Gui Yao Lue Fang Lun), which discusses Malaria. Its main functions > are to move blood and quicken blood, dispel dampness and transform > phlegm, and to soften hardness and disperse concretions. It was > originally used for a condition called " Malaria Mother (Nue Mu) " , in > which, owing to enduring malaria, malaria evil lodges in the lesser > yang, mutually binds with depressed and static qi and blood, and forms > concretions and conglomerations below the ribs. In modern practice, it > is used for firmness and hardness below the ribs (hepatomegaly, > splenomegaly) arising in the course of many different diseases. > > The ingredients are listed below: > > Bie Jia > Wu Shan (another name for she gan) > Huang Qin > Shu Fu (Sow Bugs) > Gan Jiang > Da Huang > Gui Zhi > Shi Wei > Hou Po > Qu Mai > Zi Wei (Probably Zi Wei Gen?, Campsis Grandiflora) > E Jiao > Chai Hu > Qiang Lang (Dung Beetle) > Shao Yao (Peony, white or red) > Mu Dan Pi > Zhe Chong (Tu Bie Chong) > Feng Ke (Wasp Nest) > Chi Shao- this is Niter or saltpeter (Not Chi Shao) > Tao Ren > Ren Shen > Ban Xia > Ting Li (Decsuraniae seu Lepidii) > > Bob Damone, M.S., L.Ac. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2003 Report Share Posted July 13, 2003 Feng Ke (wasp nest)>>>>Same as feng fang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2003 Report Share Posted July 13, 2003 According to Bensky... some traditional sources say this substance Feng Fang antagonizes Gan Jiang, and shao yao... which are all in the formula Bie Jia Jian Wan. Has anybody used this combination? Is it a desired outcome to antagonize herbs within the same formula? Thanks, Teresa - Alon Marcus Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:05 AM Re: Bie Jia Jian Wan Feng Ke (wasp nest)>>>>Same as feng fangChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2003 Report Share Posted July 13, 2003 Theresa, I would advise just getting the formula from one of the granule companies (Taiwanese, PRC, or Japanese) and using it in that form. I wouldn't worry about the antagonism; these are not meant to be rigidly adhered to in practice. Take care, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 Thanks Bob, This patient has been to see a herbal Dr. in New York, and he prescribed some secret honey pills... which have been working well. Some syptoms like S.O.B. have diminshed and energy increase, have been noticed. She has now found me to work acupuncture and herbal prescriptions with. I have decided to go with a modified Da Huang Zhe Chong Wan. My goal with her is to 1. stop virus from replicating 2. regulate immunity by improving cell function or replenshing qi by strengthening spleen 3. Inhibit immunity reaction by activating xue circulation to relieve xue stasis 4. Remove immunity burdens ie. the virus that is attached to cells 5. Elliminate accumulation in Gallbladder I want to nourish her yin in the process and prevent the next stage which is Cancer. Currently her energy is very good 7 out of 10, other then irregular menstrution she is not showing any other signs of menopause. On the other hand she does have 1.5 mm galstone, so there is the potential for a blocking in the bile duct. She was just put on heart meds due to portal hypertension... common with advanced Hept C with cirrohosis. Her primary doc is seeing her every couple months to monitor and screen her blood; she has low albumin and WBC and elevated AST her ALT is within normal range. Platlet counts are low, bilirubin total and direct are elevated. She is an interferon 3 month - non responder. All the best *S* Teresa - " Bob Damone " <bdamone Sunday, July 13, 2003 4:24 PM Re: Bie Jia Jian Wan > Theresa, > > I would advise just getting the formula from one of the granule companies > (Taiwanese, PRC, or Japanese) and using it in that form. > > I wouldn't worry about the antagonism; these are not meant to be rigidly > adhered to in practice. > > Take care, > > Bob > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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