International standards of discourse

[Guest guest]

Dear Ken and Todd....

 

It's true that American's are not progressive thinkers:-)

 

What is more a violation of sense/term usage is " American's " as denoting

people from USA which indeed is a generic term (just like medicine is a

generic term and not donative of western medicine if one was to contemplate

the words and meanings this would be beyond a shadow of a doubt).

 

However, the point is you are right and Todd in a way is also right albeit

there are indeed people from the beloved source (of Chinese medicine

obviously the Chinese and neighboring countries that have an " attitude

problem " ), as indeed there are great Masters of Chinese medicine from the

source Chinese and neighboring countries (prevalence of the latter) which

you so bluntly point out:-)

 

Hence returning to American's one will always offend someone if the medium

is language written or otherwise...

 

Hence, I can not speak from any one but the term used in this thread is

really of little usage and miss understandings and miss representations are

surely human?

 

Which brings to another point one which you can ignore (I am not addressing

Ken personally), BUT If there is such a thing as ethic and personal growth:

 

ARE WE NOT VIA CHINESE MEDICNE AND IS CHINESE MEDICINE NOT REALY MADE FOR

THE POOR?

 

I too remember asking questions that no one responded to (as Ken has

experience in the past)

 

Hence, religious or not personal cultivation:

 

WHAT THE USE IF WE DO NOT AIM TO AID THE POOR?

 

 

Marco in Guatemala (probably not ready for any thoughtful answers)

 

Ps. Lets return to the source education and inspiration.

 

 

 

-

" kenrose2008 " <kenrose2008

 

Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:56 PM

International standards of discourse

 

 

>

>

> Speaking of international standards of discourse,

> " whatever " represents a thinly veiled attempt to

> summarily dismiss with a verbal shrug my objection

> to your earlier slur against " Chinese people. "

> Out of what I understand to be our shared concern

> for holding our own standards of discourse as

> high as we can, I respectfully requrest that you

> think it over one or two more times.

>

> There are 1.3 billion Chinese people, and I can

> guarantee you that among this almost unbelievably

> large number there are thinkers of every imaginable

> shape and size. Look at all the progress that

> human beings have made in China, both over the

> long haul of its whole history as well as in the

> modern era. How could this have come about without

> progressive thinking?

>

> As everywhere else where there are thinkers,

> some have been trained to think as they do;

> while some have made up their own minds,

> their own ways, their own thoughts. The whole

> spectrum exists in the PRC.

>

> Don't take my word for it. Ask anyone who has

> been here for any substantial length of time

> and taken the opportunity to exchange thoughts

> with a few of the Chinese people.

>

> I really don't know what you meant by

> " progressive " and I'm not sure it matters.

> My objection to your remark was its character

> not its content. Had someone posted that

> " black people are not progressive thinkers "

> or " American's are not progressive thinkers "

> or " women are not progressive thinkers " , any

> such remark would spark a very appropriate

> explosion of outrage...in any public forum.

>

> I submit for your considerations:

>

> 1) my response was carefully directed at

> your statement, not at you personally.

> If you feel it was a personal attack,

> it suggests to me that you identify closely with

> your statement and urge you to follow your

> own advice and not cling to your own

> thoughts too dearly.

>

> 2) saying " whatever " to my criticism of your

> statement, far from dismissing it, only

> makes matters worse. Now you've just got

> to read and decide what to do about this

> further outburst from me.

>

> 3) if you or anyone else makes such

> wholesale, prejudiced, and racial/ethnic

> slurs here or anywhere else that I encounter

> them, similar responses will be forthcoming.

>

> Racism is rampant worldwide. It exists

> here in China. It certainly plauges the

> USA. It is base and vile. It is destructive.

> Please, please, please let us not tolerate

> it in any way, shape or form here at CHA.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Ken

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ken,

 

I wonder why you call Todd's remark " racist " when his remark was about

Chinese people, not a " race " of people. What if someone said, " Italians

can't cook " (which of course isn't true!): is that racist?

 

Or do you consider the Chinese people (a nation of people) a " race " ?

 

I understand this question is completely beside the point that you are

making, and may even be irrelevant...but because you are so careful about

language, I wonder if you really meant " racist " -- versus something else

(prejudicial? biased? chauvinistic?)

 

Julie

[Guest guest]

Julie,

 

Good point. I use the word racist

in accordance with the following

definition (taken from www.dictionary.com)

 

race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)

n.

A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a

more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical

characteristics.

A group of people united or classified together on the basis of

common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German

race.

 

 

I think the terms are poorly defined,

however, the general sense is as above.

 

Ken

 

, Julie Chambers

<info@j...> wrote:

> Ken,

>

> I wonder why you call Todd's remark " racist " when his remark was

about

> Chinese people, not a " race " of people. What if someone

said, " Italians

> can't cook " (which of course isn't true!): is that racist?

>

> Or do you consider the Chinese people (a nation of people)

a " race " ?

>

> I understand this question is completely beside the point that you

are

> making, and may even be irrelevant...but because you are so

careful about

> language, I wonder if you really meant " racist " -- versus

something else

> (prejudicial? biased? chauvinistic?)

>

> Julie