Guest guest Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on this, teachers and students alike. Since AFAIK most TCM schools in the US have both native English- speaking and native Chinese-speaking faculty, which of the following do you think would be most conducive to learning: A) Have native English speakers teach basic TCM courses (basic theory, materia medica, etc), have native Chinese speakers teach advanced TCM courses (formulas, internal med, etc). B) Have native Chinese speakers teach basic TCM courses, have native English speakers teach advanced TCM courses. C) Have native English speakers teach both basic TCM courses and advanced TCM courses. D) Have native Chinese speakers teach both basic TCM courses and advanced TCM courses. not trying to be inflammatory or open a can of worms here, just really want to know what people think. robert hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 I think this depends on the ability of the teacher to get across the information in an accurate and understandable way that is not too simplified and remains both philosophically and clinically useful (a BIG ask I know). This holds true for both basic and advanced courses, but is perhaps more important at the basic course level. Sadly, having said this, at this stage I would have to say C) due to the generally insufficient English speaking ability of most native chinse speaking lecturers. During my studies, I experienced D). Due to student request and feedback, some courses had extra tutorials by native English speakers to help clear-up, clarify, and summarise material of concern or confusion. This was a very helpful practice and one worth considering. In an ideal world I believe a combination of both native English and native Chinese speakers would be the best combination at all levels. This would give all the important cultural insight and experience from the native Chinese speaking teachers; with the added benefit of western clinical practice experience from the native English speaking teachers. Best Wishes Steve On 18/7/03 10:08 AM, " kampo36 " <kampo36 wrote: I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on this, teachers and students alike. Since AFAIK most TCM schools in the US have both native English- speaking and native Chinese-speaking faculty, which of the following do you think would be most conducive to learning: A) Have native English speakers teach basic TCM courses (basic theory, materia medica, etc), have native Chinese speakers teach advanced TCM courses (formulas, internal med, etc). B) Have native Chinese speakers teach basic TCM courses, have native English speakers teach advanced TCM courses. C) Have native English speakers teach both basic TCM courses and advanced TCM courses. D) Have native Chinese speakers teach both basic TCM courses and advanced TCM courses. not trying to be inflammatory or open a can of worms here, just really want to know what people think. robert hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 Dear Robert, I don't think you can generalize. What I do think is that the hiring process for faculty needs to be much more selective. Basically you need the following criteria: 1) A complete mastery of the material being taught. 2) A passion and love for the the material. 3) The charisma it takes to inspire. 4) Proper preparedness and organization for the presentation. 5) Appropriate (meaning:excellent) language and communication skills. I don't care if the instructor is Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, American or Iranian for that matter. If they fulfill the above criteria, then they will be marvelous diseminators and wonderfully inspire their students. Speaking as one, (a student,that is) Yehuda Frischman ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2003 Report Share Posted July 17, 2003 Okay, let me be a little more forthcoming. I'm in a situation now where I am basically the only native-English-speaking instructor in the OM program. This means that I am the LEAST experienced in terms of OM experience with only eight years in practice and four teaching. However, I have the benefit of some study with some fine instructors, native English skills, shared cultural history with many if not most students, and a pretty good command of Spanish (important in Miami). I have some input on where I go in the curriculum. My question is, where might someone in my position be most effective? rh , @j... wrote: > > Dear Robert, > > I don't think you can generalize. What I do think is that the hiring process for faculty needs to be much more selective. Basically you need the following criteria: > > 1) A complete mastery of the material being taught. > 2) A passion and love for the the material. > 3) The charisma it takes to inspire. > 4) Proper preparedness and organization for the presentation. > 5) Appropriate (meaning:excellent) language and communication skills. > > I don't care if the instructor is Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, American or Iranian for that matter. If they fulfill the above criteria, then they will be marvelous diseminators and wonderfully inspire their students. > > Speaking as one, (a student,that is) > Yehuda Frischman > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 , " kampo36 " <kampo36> wrote: > I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on this, teachers and students > alike. I really don't think it matters whether the teacher is a native chinese or native english speaker. they do need to speak good english and be committed to teaching as a career, whoever they are. TCM educators need to be as familiar with curriculum design as they are with TCM. Just like TCM researchers need to understand modern research methodology as well as TCM. As far as I can tell, the concepts of adult learning theory are accessible to people of all nations and do not require one to bow to the any form of american controlled internationalism. They merely center around active problem solving as the key to learning. And this approach I believe most closely mimics more traditional apprenticeships, which was in fact the actual motivation to develop this teaching methodology in the first place. To make the university a place where one learns by doing, not merely by studying and memorizing. There are many objections raised to active learning methods by all teachers of all races if they are used to doing something different. However, active learning is an evidence based methodology. It should be discussed openly and not dismissed out of hand by those unfamiliar with it. It is not merely a matter of opinion that one way is better able to achieve desired outcomes. If so, why would conservative institutions like Johns Hopkins adopt this style of teaching almost 2 decades ago. This isn't even progressive anymore. Its mainstream because so much data has accumulated in its support (search active learning on google and surf from there). If the modern TCM university system is structured on an outmoded early 20th century european model already, as Karstens claims, I don't even see why anyone would want to have any allegiance to it. Its not like it is a traditional chinese model of education anyway. again, I would argue that small group problem solving is more akin to a traditional apprenticeship than large group lectures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 IN GUATEMALA! IN GUATEMALA.! IN GUATEMALA:-) - " kampo36 " <kampo36 Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:35 PM Re: Informal poll > Okay, let me be a little more forthcoming. I'm in a situation now > where I am basically the only native-English-speaking instructor in > the OM program. This means that I am the LEAST experienced in terms > of OM experience with only eight years in practice and four > teaching. However, I have the benefit of some study with some fine > instructors, native English skills, shared cultural history with many > if not most students, and a pretty good command of Spanish (important > in Miami). I have some input on where I go in the curriculum. My > question is, where might someone in my position be most effective? > > rh > > , @j... wrote: > > > > Dear Robert, > > > > I don't think you can generalize. What I do think is that the > hiring process for faculty needs to be much more selective. > Basically you need the following criteria: > > > > 1) A complete mastery of the material being taught. > > 2) A passion and love for the the material. > > 3) The charisma it takes to inspire. > > 4) Proper preparedness and organization for the presentation. > > 5) Appropriate (meaning:excellent) language and communication > skills. > > > > I don't care if the instructor is Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, > American or Iranian for that matter. If they fulfill the above > criteria, then they will be marvelous diseminators and wonderfully > inspire their students. > > > > Speaking as one, (a student,that is) > > Yehuda Frischman > > > > > > ______________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 , " Marco " <bergh@i...> wrote: > > > IN GUATEMALA! > > IN GUATEMALA.! > > IN GUATEMALA:-) > > > Ay, chico! thank you for the smile you gave me this morning. I'd love to come, maybe when the little guy is walking and talking. Right now, south Florida is as close as i get (it's pretty close sometimes). cuidate compay, robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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