HIV/AIDS

[Guest guest]

Hi group,

 

I have received a couple of new patients who after reading the book " What if

everything you thought you knew about AIDS was wrong? " , by Christine

Maggiore... have completey stopped taking the *cocktail*.

 

One patient had a rather enlightening discovery when he realized that WM was

treating his numbers and not him. He has been positive for 14 plus years

and 2 years ago his T cell count went under 200 and the Doc said it was time

for the *cocktail*. At any rate he had no other S/s other then the T cell

count. Every since he has been taking the *cocktail* he has had one thing

after another... diarrhea, paracites (which a mega dose of Ciperol was

given), and now Mono. Bowel movements were orange and now they are green.

 

He wants to do Acupuncture and TCM only and other self healing modalities.

I know I just need to treat him according to his presentation, and as a

result his immune system will get stronger... I know it is going to take a

long time. Has anyone else treated anyone that just completely stopped

taking there *cocktail* Has anyone had success with T cells going up? Do T

cells really indicate a good quality of life?

 

Jason... do you have a chart for HIV/AIDS like you do for cirrhosis?!

 

Thanks,

Teresa

[Guest guest]

, " Teresa Hall "

<Teresa.bodywork4u@w...> wrote:

> Hi group,

>

> I have received a couple of new patients who after reading the

book " What if

> everything you thought you knew about AIDS was wrong? " , by Christine

> Maggiore... have completey stopped taking the *cocktail*.

>

> One patient had a rather enlightening discovery when he realized

that WM was

> treating his numbers and not him. He has been positive for 14 plus

years

> and 2 years ago his T cell count went under 200 and the Doc said it

was time

> for the *cocktail*. At any rate he had no other S/s other then the

T cell

> count. Every since he has been taking the *cocktail* he has had

one thing

> after another... diarrhea, paracites (which a mega dose of Ciperol

was

> given), and now Mono. Bowel movements were orange and now they are

green.

>

> He wants to do Acupuncture and TCM only and other self healing

modalities.

> I know I just need to treat him according to his presentation, and

as a

> result his immune system will get stronger... I know it is going to

take a

> long time. Has anyone else treated anyone that just completely

stopped

> taking there *cocktail* Has anyone had success with T cells going

up? Do T

> cells really indicate a good quality of life?

>

> Jason... do you have a chart for HIV/AIDS like you do for

cirrhosis?!

 

I do, although it is still in Chinese, and I am extremely busy at the

moment. It has 17 patterns. I wanted to translate the whole book,

but am waiting for a response from CHina.

Furthermore, I am not a expert on AIDS, but from my (limited)

knowledge of the past TCM txs, they did not fair that well as a

whole. The cocktail was a godsend, and people are actually living...

THe docs of your p may be looking at numbers, but IMO, there is some

wisdom here... Side-effects as well as the wholstic piece can be done

through CM. Unless something signficantly new has come about since

the 80's early 90's (in TCM) I don't think just treating the pattern

is enough. Others?

 

-

 

>

> Thanks,

> Teresa

[Guest guest]

I interned at the AIDS Care Project in Boston -- both acupuncture and

herbal medicine. (See http://www.pathwaystcm.org/acp_who_we_are.html)

I believe this organization provides some 10,000 treatments each year to

patients.

 

While at ACP I did a lot of palliative care, helping pts cope with

side-effects of their various pharmaceutical cocktails and also

supporting their health as it declined. Many of the patients had been

diagnosed for 15-20 years. I recall treating many colds, URI, diarrhea,

anorexia, hepatitis, lymphadodystrophy, fatigue, insomnia... Most

patients at ACP received both pharmaceutical and acupuncture/herbal tx.

A few did acupuncture/herbal medicine alone. I recall for those

patients their disease course seemed more precipitous than those

receiving the " integrated " treatment.

 

The senior herbalist at ACP strongly encourages patients to get on

pharmaceutical cocktails, especially when their T-Cell count dipped

below 400.

 

In long-term HIV survivors, we saw a good bit of LV Yin Xu and blood

stasis with the disease operating at Ying and Xue levels. A lot of

empty heat; these sx would persist for a surprisingly long time before

the Yang Xu began to catch up.

 

We saw a direct correlation between stress and health with these

patients. One of our treatment goals was to support them in managing

the stress of this illness.

 

I would be concerned about support networks for patients not " hooked in "

to the biomedical system.

 

Hope these observations help. ACP is an excellent resource; I'd give

them a call.

 

Best,

Della

 

Della Lawhon, MAOM, Lic AC, Dipl CH, Kelly Library

New England School of Acupuncture

40 Belmont Street

Watertown, Mass 02472

Ph: 617-926-3969

Fax: 617-924-4167

dlawhon

www.nesa.edu/library.html

 

 

 

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Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:49 AM

 

Re: HIV/AIDS

 

, " Teresa Hall "

<Teresa.bodywork4u@w...> wrote:

> Hi group,

>

> I have received a couple of new patients who after reading the

book " What if

> everything you thought you knew about AIDS was wrong? " , by Christine

> Maggiore... have completey stopped taking the *cocktail*.

>

> One patient had a rather enlightening discovery when he realized

that WM was

> treating his numbers and not him. He has been positive for 14 plus

years

> and 2 years ago his T cell count went under 200 and the Doc said it

was time

> for the *cocktail*. At any rate he had no other S/s other then the

T cell

> count. Every since he has been taking the *cocktail* he has had

one thing

> after another... diarrhea, paracites (which a mega dose of Ciperol

was

> given), and now Mono. Bowel movements were orange and now they are

green.

>

> He wants to do Acupuncture and TCM only and other self healing

modalities.

> I know I just need to treat him according to his presentation, and

as a

> result his immune system will get stronger... I know it is going to

take a

> long time. Has anyone else treated anyone that just completely

stopped

> taking there *cocktail* Has anyone had success with T cells going

up? Do T

> cells really indicate a good quality of life?

>

> Jason... do you have a chart for HIV/AIDS like you do for

cirrhosis?!

 

I do, although it is still in Chinese, and I am extremely busy at the

moment. It has 17 patterns. I wanted to translate the whole book,

but am waiting for a response from CHina.

Furthermore, I am not a expert on AIDS, but from my (limited)

knowledge of the past TCM txs, they did not fair that well as a

whole. The cocktail was a godsend, and people are actually living...

THe docs of your p may be looking at numbers, but IMO, there is some

wisdom here... Side-effects as well as the wholstic piece can be done

through CM. Unless something signficantly new has come about since

the 80's early 90's (in TCM) I don't think just treating the pattern

is enough. Others?

 

-

 

>

> Thanks,

> Teresa

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed

healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate

academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of

professional services, including board approved online continuing

education.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

my experience concerning AIDS is limited to two patients.

Both were sent from their doctors. Both patients were "cured", that is went "back" to what they called "resting HIV". This was without any other medication.

What was strange was that none of the two doctors that had sent the patients send more patients with AIDS. One of the sent his old mother, and also came himself (all the way from Sweden to Norway, so he must have gotten belief in me (??!!)), the other doctor I heard nothing more from.

Both patients were still Ok two years after, as I contacted them to hear.

But, two patients make up no statistics!!!!!!

 

Are

 

Are Simeon Thoresenarethorehttp://home.online.no/~arethore/

 

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Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:49 PM

Re: HIV/AIDS

, "Teresa Hall" <Teresa.bodywork4u@w...> wrote:> Hi group,> > I have received a couple of new patients who after reading the book "What if> everything you thought you knew about AIDS was wrong?", by Christine> Maggiore... have completey stopped taking the *cocktail*.> > One patient had a rather enlightening discovery when he realized that WM was> treating his numbers and not him. He has been positive for 14 plus years> and 2 years ago his T cell count went under 200 and the Doc said it was time> for the *cocktail*. At any rate he had no other S/s other then the T cell> count. Every since he has been taking the *cocktail* he has had one thing> after another... diarrhea, paracites (which a mega dose of Ciperol was> given), and now Mono. Bowel movements were orange and now they are green.> > He wants to do Acupuncture and TCM only and other self healing modalities.> I know I just need to treat him according to his presentation, and as a> result his immune system will get stronger... I know it is going to take a> long time. Has anyone else treated anyone that just completely stopped> taking there *cocktail* Has anyone had success with T cells going up? Do T> cells really indicate a good quality of life?> > Jason... do you have a chart for HIV/AIDS like you do for cirrhosis?!I do, although it is still in Chinese, and I am extremely busy at the moment. It has 17 patterns. I wanted to translate the whole book, but am waiting for a response from CHina.Furthermore, I am not a expert on AIDS, but from my (limited) knowledge of the past TCM txs, they did not fair that well as a whole. The cocktail was a godsend, and people are actually living... THe docs of your p may be looking at numbers, but IMO, there is some wisdom here... Side-effects as well as the wholstic piece can be done through CM. Unless something signficantly new has come about since the 80's early 90's (in TCM) I don't think just treating the pattern is enough. Others?-> > Thanks,> Teresa

[Guest guest]

Hi Teresa,

 

My name is David Akrish and I am new to the group. I am having great success with a HIV/Aids px. who is quite famous here in Seattle. His T cell count once dropped to 3. I only practice the herbal formulas. I treated what I 'saw' -empty heat, and created a immune enhance formula [spleen of course!]. His WM Dr. told him to see me and is now astounded with the results. His T count jumped 150 pts., wbc doubled, viral load decreased drastically [i don't have the exact #s]. He came in skeptical, and is now very serious. His bi-polar is stable [no more prozak], his energy is way up, his heat is down and he quit smoking...in a matter of weeks. His next T count check will be in August sometime. Also, he has been sporadic at best with consistency to taking the herb, but is now much more serious.

 

Good luck,

 

David

 

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Teresa Hall

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:27 AM

HIV/AIDS

Hi group,I have received a couple of new patients who after reading the book "What ifeverything you thought you knew about AIDS was wrong?", by ChristineMaggiore... have completey stopped taking the *cocktail*.One patient had a rather enlightening discovery when he realized that WM wastreating his numbers and not him. He has been positive for 14 plus yearsand 2 years ago his T cell count went under 200 and the Doc said it was timefor the *cocktail*. At any rate he had no other S/s other then the T cellcount. Every since he has been taking the *cocktail* he has had one thingafter another... diarrhea, paracites (which a mega dose of Ciperol wasgiven), and now Mono. Bowel movements were orange and now they are green.He wants to do Acupuncture and TCM only and other self healing modalities.I know I just need to treat him according to his presentation, and as aresult his immune system will get stronger... I know it is going to take along time. Has anyone else treated anyone that just completely stoppedtaking there *cocktail* Has anyone had success with T cells going up? Do Tcells really indicate a good quality of life?Jason... do you have a chart for HIV/AIDS like you do for cirrhosis?!Thanks,TeresaChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

what is said here is very interesting.

The two patients I have treated with acupuncture, and of both got "cured", both had empty heat as my diagnosis.

Are

 

Are Simeon Thoresenarethorehttp://home.online.no/~arethore/

 

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David and Teah Akrish

Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:09 AM

Re: HIV/AIDS

 

Hi Teresa,

 

My name is David Akrish and I am new to the group. I am having great success with a HIV/Aids px. who is quite famous here in Seattle. His T cell count once dropped to 3. I only practice the herbal formulas. I treated what I 'saw' -empty heat, and created a immune enhance formula [spleen of course!]. His WM Dr. told him to see me and is now astounded with the results. His T count jumped 150 pts., wbc doubled, viral load decreased drastically [i don't have the exact #s]. He came in skeptical, and is now very serious. His bi-polar is stable [no more prozak], his energy is way up, his heat is down and he quit smoking...in a matter of weeks. His next T count check will be in August sometime. Also, he has been sporadic at best with consistency to taking the herb, but is now much more serious.

 

Good luck,

 

David

 

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Teresa Hall

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:27 AM

HIV/AIDS

Hi group,I have received a couple of new patients who after reading the book "What ifeverything you thought you knew about AIDS was wrong?", by ChristineMaggiore... have completey stopped taking the *cocktail*.One patient had a rather enlightening discovery when he realized that WM wastreating his numbers and not him. He has been positive for 14 plus yearsand 2 years ago his T cell count went under 200 and the Doc said it was timefor the *cocktail*. At any rate he had no other S/s other then the T cellcount. Every since he has been taking the *cocktail* he has had one thingafter another... diarrhea, paracites (which a mega dose of Ciperol wasgiven), and now Mono. Bowel movements were orange and now they are green.He wants to do Acupuncture and TCM only and other self healing modalities.I know I just need to treat him according to his presentation, and as aresult his immune system will get stronger... I know it is going to take along time. Has anyone else treated anyone that just completely stoppedtaking there *cocktail* Has anyone had success with T cells going up? Do Tcells really indicate a good quality of life?Jason... do you have a chart for HIV/AIDS like you do for cirrhosis?!Thanks,TeresaChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.