Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 Hi All, & Hi Joe, Joe Garner wrote: > ...Has anyone ever tried to read the " pulse " of a ...living plant, > growing in dirt? I don't know if it's possible, though I do know > that Sri Lanka has a tradition of acupuncturing plants. Seems to me > it would potentially be easier to read a plant's pulse than to > check its tongue... Yes, I have acupunctured a plant - a weeping willow. It was one of a group, planted in the garden of my first mentor and friend, Marvin Cain, in Molehill, Virginia. All the willows were growing well, except the one planted closest to an electrical transformer in the garden. This was a stunted little runt. Dowsing (pendulum) indicated that the cause of the stunting was due to the noxious electromagnetic field from the transformer. I then dowsed for the " best place " to acupuncture the tree. The pendulum indicated one specific place on the tree trunk, and I hammered a small (1 " ) nail into that point and left it there. Some years later I asked Marvin how the tree was. To my amazement, he told me that it had grown remarkably well after the " acupuncture " , even though the tree and transformer were in their original locations. I suspect that, like animals, plants also have a form of Weiqi to repel Xie (External Pathogenic Factors) ... Ostrander and Schroeder (in Psychic Discoveries behind the Iron Curtain - circa mid 1960s) and authors forgotten (The Secret Life of Plants) claimed that plants COMMUNICATE with each other! They wrote that experimental injury to one plant can cause immediate reaction (measured as change in electrical potential between two fixed points) in ite neighbour ( " friend " ) plant. Is not life mysterious and wonderful? Best regards, WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland WWW : Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 Hi all, in our Scandinavian Acupuncture School we often practise pulse-diagnosis on trees. Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ - Cc: lIKEMLIST Sunday, August 31, 2003 4:42 PM Acupuncturing plants Hi All, & Hi Joe, Joe Garner wrote: > ...Has anyone ever tried to read the " pulse " of a ...living plant, > growing in dirt? I don't know if it's possible, though I do know > that Sri Lanka has a tradition of acupuncturing plants. Seems to me > it would potentially be easier to read a plant's pulse than to > check its tongue... Yes, I have acupunctured a plant - a weeping willow. It was one of a group, planted in the garden of my first mentor and friend, Marvin Cain, in Molehill, Virginia. All the willows were growing well, except the one planted closest to an electrical transformer in the garden. This was a stunted little runt. Dowsing (pendulum) indicated that the cause of the stunting was due to the noxious electromagnetic field from the transformer. I then dowsed for the " best place " to acupuncture the tree. The pendulum indicated one specific place on the tree trunk, and I hammered a small (1 " ) nail into that point and left it there. Some years later I asked Marvin how the tree was. To my amazement, he told me that it had grown remarkably well after the " acupuncture " , even though the tree and transformer were in their original locations. I suspect that, like animals, plants also have a form of Weiqi to repel Xie (External Pathogenic Factors) ... Ostrander and Schroeder (in Psychic Discoveries behind the Iron Curtain - circa mid 1960s) and authors forgotten (The Secret Life of Plants) claimed that plants COMMUNICATE with each other! They wrote that experimental injury to one plant can cause immediate reaction (measured as change in electrical potential between two fixed points) in ite neighbour ( " friend " ) plant. Is not life mysterious and wonderful? Best regards, WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland WWW : Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Are, Please tell us all as much as you can how you do it. Delightful! Joseph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Sorry all, Joseph here. I emailed Are back without inserting his part. Stumbled in here early because of the thoughts sweetly rambling through my existence. Still waking up. Found Are from Sweden says he learned to do pulse diagnosis on trees routinely. So I say please tell us as much as you can how. I never heard of a school teaching it, but why not? Talk about tying some different strands of our conversations together. Josef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 General comments: Proper pulse taking requires a proper state of mind. This mindset is similar to a form of meditation, or a state of daydreaming. Typically, a practitioner in this state is producing mainly alpha brain-waves. There are at least three conditions that help a practitioner to achieve this meditative state, a state in which detachment or disassociation is crucial: Not caring: The practitioner must not have preconceptions of the causes Not mind-wandering: At the moment of the pulse taking, one should concentrate totally and exclusively on the patient. Not acting: This is the state that some refer to as the state of fuzzy sight. It is similar to the moments when exhaustion begins to set in and the eyes gaze into the far distance. In this state, one finds it difficult to concentrate on other things. Therefore one does not act, or attains the state of not acting. By combining the three qualities (not caring, not mind-wandering and not acting) one concentrates on the patient but does not interfere with its energies. Done in this way, diagnostic pulse taking is as detached and objective as possible. When we try to take the pulse, we should also be as relaxed as possible, without tense muscles. We should also avoid the presence of critical observers, colleges who are aggressive to what we do, or competitors who are jealous to our good results. What I have observed in connection to my pulse-taking, is just the same as what is described in the book " The secret life of plants " by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, as necessary for the plants to react adequate to our feelings and states of mind. This book describes how it is possible for us to get in emotional contact with plants, and how the presence of jealous or aggressive persons completely diminished the contact described. This contact is almost the same as we must obtain in pulse-taking. The same observations were made by the French scientist Beneviste in his investigations on homeopathy. Practical pulse-taking in plants: Then, by share luck, I met Dr. Malchard in Liege in Belgum. He is a pediatrician, working with pulse-diagnosis in children. One day he had observed that when the child was in contact with its mother, the pulse changed drastically. The heart-pulse of the child disappeared, and knowing that the mother was suffering from a serious heart-condition, he understood the connection. The pulse of the mother influenced the pulses of the child. When he told me about this, I instantly understood the importance of this discovery for my search for a technique to monitor the pulse in animals and in plants. It was only to monitor the changes in the human pulse as the human was in contact with the animal or the plant. This method I have refined over the years, and it will be explained in great detail below. First of all we must prepare our mind as described above, under how pulse-diagnosis is made in humans. When preparing to be, or being in this state of mind, place your hand or a finger on the animal. From this moment and during the whole procedure of taking the Pulse, nobody else should touch the animal or plant. Preferably, no one else should be present in a radius of about 2 meters. In practice, however, this is seldom possible, as people want to be nearby to see what is going on! So, let us say that, at the moment of pulse taking, the minimum requirement is that no one else touches the animal or plant. (It is sometimes quite amusing to test the owner while testing the animal or plant, by recording the change of one special pulse while the owner moves to and from the animal or plant. One can sometimes impress the owner by describing his or her Lesion-Symptom Complex). While touching the animal or plant, the practitioner takes his/her own pulse, as a TCM practitioner would do on a human patient. When the therapist touch the animal or plant, the therapist´s pulses change dramatically (!). This change is due to his contact with the energies of the animal or plant. When being in contact with the animal or plant, the therapist and the animal or plant get a common energetic pattern. From the difference in pulse-findings before and after the contact, we may deduce the energetic balance in the animal or plant itself. Does this sound strange to you? This phenomenon is described by many observers up through history; by the Indians, the oriental people and by several observers from the occident. Rudolf Steiner describes how married couples get a common etherical body after some time, and to get back to ones own etherical body after divorce or death it takes 3 years. That is why a widow or a widower should stay single for at least 3 years. Modern science has also showed this phenomenon recently. Scientists have shown that neuronal activity in one brain is transmitted to another brain, as long as this other brain is concentrated on the other individual. This is called " Jumping neurons " . I will now describe what we may expect to find in pulse-taking, and what progression we may expect: 1. Training period This period normally takes about one year. In this period, you must try to decide which of your own pulses changes while touching the animal. Practically, this is done by taking the pulse at your wrist, then touch the animal, and then move away from it again. This procedure is done again and again until you are sure whether your pulse changes or not while touching or not touching the animal. Some people feel a · change in rhythm, especially that the pulse gets faster · change in impulse (strength), especially that the pulse gets weaker The " right " thing to feel is change in strength. If the pulse grows weaker (or stronger) when touching an animal, this indicates deficient (or excess) in the correlating process. The Neijing says that: " some Meridians are too strong, some are too weak " . In my experience I usually find: · According to the Yin-processes o Deficiency in 90% of the pathological findings o Excess in 10% of the pathological findings · According to the Yang-processes o Deficiency in 20% of the pathological findings o Excess in 80% of the pathological findings When more than one pulse is " reactive " (becomes weaker or stronger), 5 element theory can be used with great success. This theory is an essential part of classical AP. 2. Beginners (novices) After the training period, you may know your pulse so well that it is not necessary to move back and forth touching and not touching the animal. You may then go directly to the animal, take your pulse while in contact with it and decide which pulse is abnormal. With training you may also detect these changes in your pulse-picture at a distance from the animal, depending upon several factors that cannot be mentioned in detail here. At this stage of your training, it is difficult to decide which Command-Point of the Meridian in question to use. It may then be opportune to just treat the Ting-point of the affected (usually weak) meridian. In my opinion, this stimulates the process in an adequate way. 3. Advanced practitioners After having trained for some years, you may be able to tell not only which pulse grows weaker or stronger, but also in what quality, and in which Phase (element) the pulse changes. Masters of TCM can differentiate between 28 different qualities of the pulse and make their diagnosis on that basis. I find it more convenient to differentiate the changes according to: · Which process is deficient (usually a Yin-process) · Which process is in excess (usually a Yang-process) · Which element within the pulse has changed · If the are any pattern in the changes of the pulses, this will indicate the use of the extra meridians (see later page 00) · If there is any destructive energy to be spotted. If this energy must be wasted. · How fast the changes occur, and how fast they fade away. This indicate the strength of the patient, and by this also the prognosis. If you can decide all this, you will have the complete diagnosis and treatment presented to you. Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ - acugrpaz Monday, September 01, 2003 3:59 PM Re: Acupuncturing Plants Are, Please tell us all as much as you can how you do it. Delightful! Joseph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Hi again, first I am from Norway. I have not learned to take pulses on trees, I teach this art to my students. I have developed this method according to the description in the other mail. Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ - acugrpaz Monday, September 01, 2003 4:05 PM Re: Acupuncturing Plants Sorry all, Joseph here. I emailed Are back without inserting his part. Stumbled in here early because of the thoughts sweetly rambling through my existence. Still waking up. Found Are from Sweden says he learned to do pulse diagnosis on trees routinely. So I say please tell us as much as you can how. I never heard of a school teaching it, but why not? Talk about tying some different strands of our conversations together. Josef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Are, I know this kind of thing will alienate some people on the list, but I think it is fair game. Of course it is possible to read animal or plant pulses in this way. It simply requires that the practitioner learn to " disappear. " Once you realize you can do it, you realize it's really not that hard, it's just about relaxing. Then the " at-tension " takes care of itself. Do you know how people become telepathic? They are simply totally honest with one another, and it happens naturally with no effort. They become able to read each other's minds effortlessly. No big deal. Pulse-taking is about being shattered. Ave ave ave. Oy vey. To the relaxed mind, heart and body, all things are obviously possible. Joseff >>>General comments: Proper pulse taking requires a proper state of mind. This mindset is similar to a form of meditation, or a state of daydreaming. Typically, a practitioner in this state is producing mainly alpha brain-waves. There are at least three conditions that help a practitioner to achieve this meditative state, a state in which detachment or disassociation is crucial: Not caring: The practitioner must not have preconceptions of the causes Not mind-wandering: At the moment of the pulse taking, one should concentrate totally and exclusively on the patient. Not acting: This is the state that some refer to as the state of fuzzy sight. It is similar to the moments when exhaustion begins to set in and the eyes gaze into the far distance. In this state, one finds it difficult to concentrate on other things. Therefore one does not act, or attains the state of not acting. .... Are<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 >>>Is not life mysterious and wonderful? Best regards, <<< Phil, Actually it's just wonderful. There's nothing mysterious about it at all. That's all just a set-up so that when you fall off that particular stool, you wake up. La. Ed Kasper, You say you always thought of yourself as the " gan cao " type, but reality seems to be more like da huang. I know what you mean. I may change appearances in the future, but I shall always be content to be he huan pi in the end, I'm sure. Joseph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 I used a potted tree plant (in our office about 4 foot high, 1-2 inch thick) in several acupuncture treatments. The patients all experienced a more powerful uplifting experience similar yet different than their typical acupuncture experience. Treatment involved placing two acupuncture needles into the tree with wires that then went around the patient in a figure eight , head to toe . Centered around the navel. The wire were connected to each acupuncture needle that was placed in both the tree and the patients. treatments lasted about 45 minutes. I did not try this on every patient only those that I felt were " attuned " to this type of treatment. Interesting that the tree seem to pull the negative energy out of the patients. Sadly all the plants, otherwise healthy and strong, suffered and quickly appeared to wilt. (within a few months). Perhaps if the plants (trees) were better grounded, like in a forest, rather than a plastic bucket of dirt, outcomes would be better. Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA. I always thought of myself as a " gan cao " type but reality proves more the da huang affect. Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:42:31 +0100 " " < Acupuncturing plants Hi All, & Hi Joe, Joe Garner wrote: > ...Has anyone ever tried to read the " pulse " of a ...living plant, > growing in dirt? I don't know if it's possible, though I do know > that Sri Lanka has a tradition of acupuncturing plants. Seems to me > it would potentially be easier to read a plant's pulse than to > check its tongue... Yes, I have acupunctured a plant - a weeping willow. It was one of a group, planted in the garden of my first mentor and friend, Marvin Cain, in Molehill, Virginia. All the willows were growing well, except the one planted closest to an electrical transformer in the garden. This was a stunted little runt. Dowsing (pendulum) indicated that the cause of the stunting was due to the noxious electromagnetic field from the transformer. I then dowsed for the " best place " to acupuncture the tree. The pendulum indicated one specific place on the tree trunk, and I hammered a small (1 " ) nail into that point and left it there. Some years later I asked Marvin how the tree was. To my amazement, he told me that it had grown remarkably well after the " acupuncture " , even though the tree and transformer were in their original locations. I suspect that, like animals, plants also have a form of Weiqi to repel Xie (External Pathogenic Factors) ... Ostrander and Schroeder (in Psychic Discoveries behind the Iron Curtain - circa mid 1960s) and authors forgotten (The Secret Life of Plants) claimed that plants COMMUNICATE with each other! They wrote that experimental injury to one plant can cause immediate reaction (measured as change in electrical potential between two fixed points) in ite neighbour ( " friend " ) plant. Is not life mysterious and wonderful? Best regards, WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland WWW : Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Email: < Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 8/19/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 07:42 AM, wrote: > The > pendulum indicated one specific place on the tree trunk, and I > hammered a small (1 " ) nail into that point and left it there. That's a pretty cool technique you have. I like the insertion of a nail and leaving it there. I would think that one could look at a plant and intuit its meridian locations. On a related note, I had a tree in front of my house, a mulberry tree in fact, that was infested by white flies. White flies reside on the underside of leaves and slowly such the life out of the leaves while leaving a hairy sort of white stuff dangling beneath the leaves. On this particular tree, it was so thick that the ground was wet with the hair that had fallen to the pavement below. Well, to my eyes it looked like dampness and so I put together a strong formula of aromatics and anti-parasitic herbs. Then I sprayed it over certain sections of the tree hoping to see a difference. I saw none, but I maintain that an herbal approach to insect infestations in trees or plants is an awesome opportunity to bring safer ingredients into the pest-control industry. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 I agree. For years I used to compost my herbal dregs. Then I realized I had actually killed my garden soil due to the strong antimicrobial meds in the compost. No more wormies. It took years to remedy this. Then I started disposing of my herb dregs behind a shed. (Just couldn't bring myself to put them in the trash. Don't know exactly why.) I was more than a little embarassed when this killed my neighbor's cherry tree. The tree was on his side of the prperty, bu the branches crossed over to my side where I was dumping my dregs. Oops! Lesson learned. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Hi All, I do believe plants communicate with each other. Recently, I transplanted some plants on my front porch. Since the following day, ALL of the plants look healthier and are growing more vigorously, as if some sharing of life force was happening among them. --- < wrote: > Hi All, & Hi Joe, > > Joe Garner wrote: > > ...Has anyone ever tried to read the " pulse " of a > ...living plant, > > growing in dirt? I don't know if it's possible, > though I do know > > that Sri Lanka has a tradition of acupuncturing > plants. Seems to me > > it would potentially be easier to read a plant's > pulse than to > > check its tongue... > > Yes, I have acupunctured a plant - a weeping willow. > It was one of > a group, planted in the garden of my first mentor > and friend, Marvin > Cain, in Molehill, Virginia. All the willows were > growing well, except > the one planted closest to an electrical transformer > in the garden. > This was a stunted little runt. > > Dowsing (pendulum) indicated that the cause of the > stunting was > due to the noxious electromagnetic field from the > transformer. I > then dowsed for the " best place " to acupuncture the > tree. The > pendulum indicated one specific place on the tree > trunk, and I > hammered a small (1 " ) nail into that point and left > it there. Some > years later I asked Marvin how the tree was. To my > amazement, he > told me that it had grown remarkably well after the > " acupuncture " , > even though the tree and transformer were in their > original > locations. I suspect that, like animals, plants also > have a form of > Weiqi to repel Xie (External Pathogenic Factors) ... > > Ostrander and Schroeder (in Psychic Discoveries > behind the Iron > Curtain - circa mid 1960s) and authors forgotten > (The Secret Life of > Plants) claimed that plants COMMUNICATE with each > other! They > wrote that experimental injury to one plant can > cause immediate > reaction (measured as change in electrical potential > between two > fixed points) in ite neighbour ( " friend " ) plant. > > Is not life mysterious and wonderful? > > Best regards, > > > WORK : Teagasc Staff Development Unit, Sandymount > Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland > WWW : > Email: < > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: > 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > WWW : > http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > Email: < > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: > 0] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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