Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Hi group! Does anyone have any information about this fruit. Another name for it is NONI Juice. I have a HIV patient who was on a cocktail, he was developing all the unwanted things like paracites, mono and juandice. He came in one day with yellow eyes... came in the next week and informed me that he went off ALL his western meds including several anti-depressants and reports that he is only doing this NONI juice... drinks 4 ounces in the AM, on an empty stomach. I cannot believe the difference in his Shen. His plan is to do only this juice and acupuncture. Thanks, Teresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 This is a big multi-marketing tool, Noni. I think many of its claims are exaggerated. Seems like a nice supplementing herb (I'll have to research it more), but I doubt it can replace the multi-drug regimen your patient was on. As far as your patient's shen goes, I imagine it would 'shine' a lot more without all the antidepressants and drugs in his system. However, the brightness and positivity could be misleading, and quite temporary. I'd advise caution, as nothing is being done pharmacologically to treat the depression or the HIV disease. Watch out for relapses. Noni cannot do the job alone, this we can be sure of. On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Teresa Hall wrote: > Hi group! > > Does anyone have any information about this fruit. Another name for > it is > NONI Juice. I have a HIV patient who was on a cocktail, he was > developing > all the unwanted things like paracites, mono and juandice. He came in > one > day with yellow eyes... came in the next week and informed me that he > went > off ALL his western meds including several anti-depressants and > reports that > he is only doing this NONI juice... drinks 4 ounces in the AM, on an > empty > stomach. I cannot believe the difference in his Shen. His plan is > to do > only this juice and acupuncture. > > Thanks, > Teresa > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Around 96 I had an office in a DC Clinic, he sold Noni Juice. It was multilevel marketing at it's best! He sold the Tahitian Noni, which is the worst due to the fact that the French did nuclear testing in that area. There is Hawaiian Noni, which is more expensive and seems to be purer, it's used a lot for pain. PS to the best of my knowledge this Noni isn't multilevel.--- In , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > This is a big multi-marketing tool, Noni. I think many of its claims > are exaggerated. Seems like a nice supplementing herb (I'll have to > research it more), but I doubt it can replace the multi-drug regimen > your patient was on. > > As far as your patient's shen goes, I imagine it would 'shine' a lot > more without all the antidepressants and drugs in his system. However, > the brightness and positivity could be misleading, and quite temporary. > I'd advise caution, as nothing is being done pharmacologically to > treat the depression or the HIV disease. Watch out for relapses. Noni > cannot do the job alone, this we can be sure of. > > > On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Teresa Hall wrote: > > > Hi group! > > > > Does anyone have any information about this fruit. Another name for > > it is > > NONI Juice. I have a HIV patient who was on a cocktail, he was > > developing > > all the unwanted things like paracites, mono and juandice. He came in > > one > > day with yellow eyes... came in the next week and informed me that he > > went > > off ALL his western meds including several anti-depressants and > > reports that > > he is only doing this NONI juice... drinks 4 ounces in the AM, on an > > empty > > stomach. I cannot believe the difference in his Shen. His plan is > > to do > > only this juice and acupuncture. > > > > Thanks, > > Teresa > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 02:44 PM, wrote: > As far as your patient's shen goes, I imagine it would 'shine' a lot > more without all the antidepressants and drugs in his system. However, > the brightness and positivity could be misleading, and quite temporary. This is an interesting statement. There are a certain number of patients (not necessarily having anything to do with NONI) who do absolutely wonderfully for about two weeks, then they begin to slip back to where they were and if we're lucky they'll stick with it long enough to let the therapy do its job. The reason I bring this up here is to share my own tendency to disbelieve remarkable gains early on in the treatment. I don't tell the patient that its all in their head because, what they heck, relief is relief and I'm happy to see it happen. But when the problem returns, that's when I might have to break to them the news that it was their faith or " placebo " or compassion or whatever that did the work early on, and now the therapy will need some time to kick in. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 I agree with Zev! I tried NONI on many patients a few years ago, also I imported the original not conserved NONI from the original producer and tried this, but my conclusions were that NONI was of little use. Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ - Friday, September 05, 2003 11:44 PM Re: Morinda fruit/ NONI Juice This is a big multi-marketing tool, Noni. I think many of its claims are exaggerated. Seems like a nice supplementing herb (I'll have to research it more), but I doubt it can replace the multi-drug regimen your patient was on. As far as your patient's shen goes, I imagine it would 'shine' a lot more without all the antidepressants and drugs in his system. However, the brightness and positivity could be misleading, and quite temporary. I'd advise caution, as nothing is being done pharmacologically to treat the depression or the HIV disease. Watch out for relapses. Noni cannot do the job alone, this we can be sure of. On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Teresa Hall wrote: > Hi group! > > Does anyone have any information about this fruit. Another name for > it is > NONI Juice. I have a HIV patient who was on a cocktail, he was > developing > all the unwanted things like paracites, mono and juandice. He came in > one > day with yellow eyes... came in the next week and informed me that he > went > off ALL his western meds including several anti-depressants and > reports that > he is only doing this NONI juice... drinks 4 ounces in the AM, on an > empty > stomach. I cannot believe the difference in his Shen. His plan is > to do > only this juice and acupuncture. > > Thanks, > Teresa > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Can not agree with you both. I tried noni on my patients with long history of chronic gastritis. All of them said that symptoms disappear afte they use noni at least one month. Yuri --- Are Thoresen <arethore wrote: > I agree with Zev! > I tried NONI on many patients a few years ago, also > I imported the original not conserved NONI from the > original producer and tried this, but my conclusions > were that NONI was of little use. > Are > > Are Simeon Thoresen > arethore > http://home.online.no/~arethore/ > - > > > Friday, September 05, 2003 11:44 PM > Re: Morinda fruit/ > NONI Juice > > > This is a big multi-marketing tool, Noni. I think > many of its claims > are exaggerated. Seems like a nice supplementing > herb (I'll have to > research it more), but I doubt it can replace the > multi-drug regimen > your patient was on. > > As far as your patient's shen goes, I imagine it > would 'shine' a lot > more without all the antidepressants and drugs in > his system. However, > the brightness and positivity could be misleading, > and quite temporary. > I'd advise caution, as nothing is being done > pharmacologically to > treat the depression or the HIV disease. Watch > out for relapses. Noni > cannot do the job alone, this we can be sure of. > > > On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Teresa > Hall wrote: > > > Hi group! > > > > Does anyone have any information about this > fruit. Another name for > > it is > > NONI Juice. I have a HIV patient who was on a > cocktail, he was > > developing > > all the unwanted things like paracites, mono and > juandice. He came in > > one > > day with yellow eyes... came in the next week > and informed me that he > > went > > off ALL his western meds including several > anti-depressants and > > reports that > > he is only doing this NONI juice... drinks 4 > ounces in the AM, on an > > empty > > stomach. I cannot believe the difference in > his Shen. His plan is > > to do > > only this juice and acupuncture. > > > > Thanks, > > Teresa > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Yuri, Perhaps Noni is good for some things, such as digestive disorders. It is an herbal medicinal, after all. I am just pointing out that using an herb that is marketed as a panacea for all things immune in nature is misrepresentation, and can be harmful to our patients. Self-medicating with Noni as a replacement for multiple pharmacological drugs as a 'feel good' nostrum is dangerous and delusional. There are ways in Chinese medicine to deal with situations where patients are on too much medication; ways to reduce the medications or help them wean off. However, unless the patient has dismissed the physician from his or her care, one should include the physician in the decision and develop an alternate strategy. If a patient decides that they want to discontinue all medications, knowing it can lead to sickness and death, that is their decision. If, however, they expect an herb like Noni plus acupuncture to replace it, and cure a life-threatening disease, this is a mistake, and we should consider the liability of taking part as health professionals in such a decision. On Saturday, September 6, 2003, at 09:34 AM, leah tynkova wrote: > Can not agree with you both. I tried noni on my > patients with long history of chronic gastritis. All > of them said that symptoms disappear afte they use > noni at least one month. > Yuri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 I was at a product trade show for a particular corporation in April. one division of this corp is a supplement company. the R & D director was there and told a story. previously, he worked for another supplement company. he would not, no surprise, name the company or product, but it was clearly a liquid supplement that comprises approximately 70% of that company's market. so, he'd been at company A for three years, and new owners appeared. they tested all the products. their conclusion was that their topp-selling item had LESS nutrition in it than KOOLAID. he stuck around just long enough to ascertain that the company planned on making NO product changes based on this research. he left, with no job awaiting, and no prospects on the horizon. someone else was, no doubt, happy to fill the shoes of someone who left b/c of a silly little integrity issue. could be Noni, or colloidal silver, or --- ? anyone here with enough inside information to know what company this was, or may be? J. Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. healthworks 1-800-355-8011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Agree with you, Zev. I do not propose noni as panacea. It can not be. Moreover I know side effects of noni and tell my patients to stay off from it if their condition serious enough (like high blood pressure, history of stroke, some heart problems).I have a question to you: is noni (friute) the same as Bai Ji Tian? Or at least the same plant? Yang tonic? Thanks, Yuri --- <zrosenbe wrote: > Yuri, > Perhaps Noni is good for some things, such as > digestive disorders. > It is an herbal medicinal, after all. I am just > pointing out that > using an herb that is marketed as a panacea for all > things immune in > nature is misrepresentation, and can be harmful to > our patients. > Self-medicating with Noni as a replacement for > multiple > pharmacological drugs as a 'feel good' nostrum is > dangerous and > delusional. > > There are ways in Chinese medicine to deal with > situations where > patients are on too much medication; ways to reduce > the medications or > help them wean off. However, unless the patient has > dismissed the > physician from his or her care, one should include > the physician in the > decision and develop an alternate strategy. If a > patient decides that > they want to discontinue all medications, knowing it > can lead to > sickness and death, that is their decision. If, > however, they expect > an herb like Noni plus acupuncture to replace it, > and cure a > life-threatening disease, this is a mistake, and we > should consider the > liability of taking part as health professionals in > such a decision. > > > On Saturday, September 6, 2003, at 09:34 AM, leah > tynkova wrote: > > > Can not agree with you both. I tried noni on my > > patients with long history of chronic gastritis. > All > > of them said that symptoms disappear afte they use > > noni at least one month. > > Yuri > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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