Burn marks with AP?

September 19, 2003

Hi all, I posted this a few days ago but have not received a reply, so

I'll try again. Thanks!

This is a forwarded message from a Western MD from the Philippines who

came to Hangzhou for a course in acupuncture. She is using it

mainly/only for patients in a weight-loss program back home. She was

referred to me due to questions concerning TCM and nutrition. I asked

her some questions about her knowledge of basic TCM theory.

-->>Hi Daniel! About the Zhang and Fu theories, I studied them in

China for 2 months with clinical practicum.It's true diet place a big

role in weight loss.Actually, my problem is on my acupuncture

technique. It goes like this:

Patient 1: 26y/o, F, Married with 4 kids, physical examination showed

flabby abdomen with many stretch marks. She sought consultation to

remove the fats in her belly. Start doing acupuncture with application

of electric waves ( adjustable according to her tolerability) 3 times

in week each session lasted for 30mins. Every session the intensity of

the electric waves gradually increases that is how it goes to my

patients. If they feel the intensity lessens I increase it.

What I noticed, once the rate reached 5and above (intensity) the said

acupoints developed burned marks after I removed the needles. Does

this normally happened to patients who underwent weight loss. I know

the marks will disappear but it will take months.<<--

Any suggestions/answers to her questions? Also, anybody interested in

a long-term coaching relationship with her? She mentioned her mentors

at the Hangzhou Hospital do not know how to use a computer.

Thanks,

Daniel C. Luthi

September 20, 2003

On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Daniel wrote:

I'm not sure what to say here. I don't know why she's using e-stim for

weight loss in the first place. Perhaps that is just my own ignorance.

As for burn marks, I've never run into this. My e-stim unit uses a

9-volt battery. The only marks I get on the body are due to the needles

generating a histamine response. That's an area of redness that may

itch for a few minutes after the treatment.

> -->>Hi Daniel! About the Zhang and Fu theories, I studied them in

> China for 2 months with clinical practicum.It's true diet place a big

> role in weight loss.Actually, my problem is on my acupuncture

> technique. It goes like this:

> Patient 1: 26y/o, F, Married with 4 kids, physical examination showed

> flabby abdomen with many stretch marks. She sought consultation to

> remove the fats in her belly. Start doing acupuncture with application

> of electric waves ( adjustable according to her tolerability) 3 times

> in week each session lasted for 30mins. Every session the intensity of

> the electric waves gradually increases that is how it goes to my

> patients. If they feel the intensity lessens I increase it.

> What I noticed, once the rate reached 5and above (intensity) the said

> acupoints developed burned marks after I removed the needles. Does

> this normally happened to patients who underwent weight loss. I know

> the marks will disappear but it will take months.<<--

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Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

-Adlai Stevenson

September 20, 2003

As for burn marks,

>>>A DC stim can easily burn the patient as is intense (high volt and amp) AC

stim

Alon

September 22, 2003

Hi Al,

Just thought I would comment. Electro is very useful in weight loss treatments.

I have a Chinese friend who taught me a protocol he learned in Taiwan using

electro. It involves techniques that are taught as contra-indicated here in the

states, so I would prefer not to discuss the treatment in a group forum. I have

used this protocol with excellent results! However, it does require frequent

visits from the patient. Never experienced burns from the treatments though.

Cheers,