Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Hi Z'ev wrote: > Can you give me a link for this PC-SPECS study? If you identify the PMID Number of the abstract of interest, the Medline abstract Link is: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_u ids=XXXX & dopt=Abstract [replace the XXXX with the relevant PMID Number] > I don't see why PC-SPES should be analyzed by new standards, since > its active ingredients were already proven to be hidden drugs > (zanax, wayfarin, DES). At least two years ago, this was hardly an > 'herbal product'. Some recent papers disagree that the Anti-PC activity was due to the contaminants; they confirm anticancer activity of baicalin, for example. > Is there a new, 'clean' version out there? I cannot answer that. The actual Patent for PC-SPES is at http://www.cooleyville.com/cancer/capcspat.htm United States Patent 5,665,393 Chen et al. September 9, 1997 Herbal composition for treating prostate carcinoma: Abstract A composition comprising material from the following herbs: Panax pseudo-ginseng Wall, Isatis Indigotica Fort, Ganoderma lucidum Karst, Dendranthema morifolium Tzvel, Glycyrrhiza glabra L., Scutellaria baicalensis Georgi, Rabdosia rubescens, Serenoa repens. Preferably, the material from each of such herbs is an alcohol extract of dried, cut plants and of the Panax the pseudo-ginseng Wall and each of the other materials are present in a dried, weight-to-weight range of about 1:1-6. The composition is administered orally or by suppository. Inventors: Chen; Sophie (Millwood, NY); Wang; Xuhui (Shanghai, CN) Assignee: International Medical Research, Inc. (Brea, CA) Appl. No.: 697920 Filed: September 3, 1996 It says the ingredients are: 1. Anti tumor activity: A) Ganoderma lucidum Karst: Maruyama et al., J. Pharmacobiodyn, 1989, February 12 (2):118-23. B) Robdosia ruberscens: Wang et al., Chung Hun-Chung-Liu-Tsa-Chih, 1986 July; 8(4):297-9. C) Scutellaria baiculennsis Georgi: Konoshitna et at., Chem Phar. Bull. Tokoyo 1992, February 40 (2):531-3. 2. Immune stimulating activity: A) Ganoderma lucidum Karst: Ed. New Medical College od Jian-Su Province, Encyclopedia of Chinese Medicinal Herbs, 1975, pp. 2395-99, by Shanghai People's Publisher. B) Isatis Indigotica Fort: Xu et at., Chung-Hsi-I-Chieh-Ho-Tsa-Chin, 1991, June 11 (6):357-9, 3225-6. 3. Anti vital activity: A) Scuteliana baicalenosis Georgi: Nagai et al., Biol. Pharm. Bull. 1995, February 18 (2):285-9. Li ot oi, Cell Mol. Biol. Res. 1993:39:(22):119-24. B) Dendranthema (Chrysanthemum) Morifolium Tzvel: He et al., J. Natural Product, 1994 January 57 (1):42-51. 4. Anti inflammatory activity: A) Scutellaria baicalensis Georgi: Butenko et al., Agents Actions, 1993, 39 Spec. No.: 49-51. B) Glycyrrhiza glabra L.: Kobayashis et al., Biol. Pharm. Bull. 1995 October 18 (10):1382-5. 5. Anti Benign prostate hyperplasia activity: Serenca repens: Dralkorn et al., Urologe A., 1995. 34(2):119-29. The alcohol extracts of the above herbs were obtained in the lyophilized powder form and were mixed and encapsulated in capsules. They were taken orally as dietary supplement. The weight of panax pseudo-ginseng Wall was defined as 1, the weight ratio of Isatis indigotica Fort was from about 1 to about 4, of Ganoderma lucidum Karst was from about 1 to about 6, of Dendranthema morifolium Tzvel was from about 1 to about 4, of Glycyntiza glabra L was from about 1 to about 4, of Scutellaria balcalensis Georgi was from about 1 to about 4, of Robdosia rubersens was from about 1 to about 6, of Serenca repens was from about 1 to about 6. I summarise that as: Lingzhi (Ganoderma, Reishi) 3.5, Juchizonglan (Serenoa Repens) 3.5, Donglingcao (Rabdosia rubescens) 3.5, Huaijuhua (Dendranthema morifolium, aka Chrysanthemum morifolium) 2.5, Huangqin (Rx Scutellariae) 2.5, Gancao (Rx Glycyrrhizae) 2.5, Banlangen (Rx Isatidis Indigoticae) 2.5, Sanqi (Rx Notoginseng) 1. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Referring to PC-SPES Z'ev asked: > Is there a new, 'clean' version out there? PC-PLUS is a so-called PC-SPES analog that undergoes rigorous periodic testing and is available mail order via the web. It is not *exactly* the same as PC-SPES but pretty close. Many PC patients take this analog with great success (if you consider zero testosterone and gynecomastia - along with objective symptom reduction of course - a success) Another product that looks similar to PC-SPES is called Rabdosia Prostate Formula by Golden Flower. I'd be very interested in your impression - a Google search will get you to the source(s). Sammy. [] 08 October 2003 00:00 Re: Digest Number 1637 Hi Z'ev wrote: > Can you give me a link for this PC-SPECS study? If you identify the PMID Number of the abstract of interest, the Medline abstract Link is: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_u ids=XXXX & dopt=Abstract [replace the XXXX with the relevant PMID Number] > I don't see why PC-SPES should be analyzed by new standards, since > its active ingredients were already proven to be hidden drugs > (zanax, wayfarin, DES). At least two years ago, this was hardly an > 'herbal product'. Some recent papers disagree that the Anti-PC activity was due to the contaminants; they confirm anticancer activity of baicalin, for example. > Is there a new, 'clean' version out there? I cannot answer that. The actual Patent for PC-SPES is at http://www.cooleyville.com/cancer/capcspat.htm United States Patent 5,665,393 Chen et al. September 9, 1997 Herbal composition for treating prostate carcinoma: Abstract A composition comprising material from the following herbs: Panax pseudo-ginseng Wall, Isatis Indigotica Fort, Ganoderma lucidum Karst, Dendranthema morifolium Tzvel, Glycyrrhiza glabra L., Scutellaria baicalensis Georgi, Rabdosia rubescens, Serenoa repens. Preferably, the material from each of such herbs is an alcohol extract of dried, cut plants and of the Panax the pseudo-ginseng Wall and each of the other materials are present in a dried, weight-to-weight range of about 1:1-6. The composition is administered orally or by suppository. Inventors: Chen; Sophie (Millwood, NY); Wang; Xuhui (Shanghai, CN) Assignee: International Medical Research, Inc. (Brea, CA) Appl. No.: 697920 Filed: September 3, 1996 It says the ingredients are: 1. Anti tumor activity: A) Ganoderma lucidum Karst: Maruyama et al., J. Pharmacobiodyn, 1989, February 12 (2):118-23. B) Robdosia ruberscens: Wang et al., Chung Hun-Chung-Liu-Tsa-Chih, 1986 July; 8(4):297-9. C) Scutellaria baiculennsis Georgi: Konoshitna et at., Chem Phar. Bull. Tokoyo 1992, February 40 (2):531-3. 2. Immune stimulating activity: A) Ganoderma lucidum Karst: Ed. New Medical College od Jian-Su Province, Encyclopedia of Chinese Medicinal Herbs, 1975, pp. 2395-99, by Shanghai People's Publisher. B) Isatis Indigotica Fort: Xu et at., Chung-Hsi-I-Chieh-Ho-Tsa-Chin, 1991, June 11 (6):357-9, 3225-6. 3. Anti vital activity: A) Scuteliana baicalenosis Georgi: Nagai et al., Biol. Pharm. Bull. 1995, February 18 (2):285-9. Li ot oi, Cell Mol. Biol. Res. 1993:39:(22):119-24. B) Dendranthema (Chrysanthemum) Morifolium Tzvel: He et al., J. Natural Product, 1994 January 57 (1):42-51. 4. Anti inflammatory activity: A) Scutellaria baicalensis Georgi: Butenko et al., Agents Actions, 1993, 39 Spec. No.: 49-51. B) Glycyrrhiza glabra L.: Kobayashis et al., Biol. Pharm. Bull. 1995 October 18 (10):1382-5. 5. Anti Benign prostate hyperplasia activity: Serenca repens: Dralkorn et al., Urologe A., 1995. 34(2):119-29. The alcohol extracts of the above herbs were obtained in the lyophilized powder form and were mixed and encapsulated in capsules. They were taken orally as dietary supplement. The weight of panax pseudo-ginseng Wall was defined as 1, the weight ratio of Isatis indigotica Fort was from about 1 to about 4, of Ganoderma lucidum Karst was from about 1 to about 6, of Dendranthema morifolium Tzvel was from about 1 to about 4, of Glycyntiza glabra L was from about 1 to about 4, of Scutellaria balcalensis Georgi was from about 1 to about 4, of Robdosia rubersens was from about 1 to about 6, of Serenca repens was from about 1 to about 6. I summarise that as: Lingzhi (Ganoderma, Reishi) 3.5, Juchizonglan (Serenoa Repens) 3.5, Donglingcao (Rabdosia rubescens) 3.5, Huaijuhua (Dendranthema morifolium, aka Chrysanthemum morifolium) 2.5, Huangqin (Rx Scutellariae) 2.5, Gancao (Rx Glycyrrhizae) 2.5, Banlangen (Rx Isatidis Indigoticae) 2.5, Sanqi (Rx Notoginseng) 1. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Thanks for the connections, Phil. By the way, the prescription you describe is different from the original. No saw palmetto, for one. On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 03:59 PM, wrote: > Hi Z'ev > > wrote: >> Can you give me a link for this PC-SPECS study? > > If you identify the PMID Number of the abstract of interest, the > Medline abstract > Link is: > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/ > query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_u > ids=XXXX & dopt=Abstract [replace the XXXX with the relevant PMID Number] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 I appreciate the info, thank you. This PC-SPECS thing was quite a scandal a few years ago. On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 04:11 PM, ga.bates wrote: > Referring to PC-SPES Z'ev asked: > >> Is there a new, 'clean' version out there? > > PC-PLUS is a so-called PC-SPES analog that undergoes rigorous periodic > testing and is available mail order via the web. It is not *exactly* > the > same as PC-SPES but pretty close. Many PC patients take this analog > with > great success (if you consider zero testosterone and gynecomastia - > along > with objective symptom reduction of course - a success) Another > product that > looks similar to PC-SPES is called Rabdosia Prostate Formula by Golden > Flower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 It was indeed quite a scandal ! Main stream urologists and oncologists using it scattered like so much chaff on the wind. I look back now with a wry smile - much water under the bridge .. the watershed in fact for my conversion to a broader based paradigm. Despite its faults and limitations, SPES & PC-SPES brough me and many others to TCM. Sammy. [zrosenbe] 08 October 2003 15:29 Re: Digest Number 1637 I appreciate the info, thank you. This PC-SPECS thing was quite a scandal a few years ago. On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 04:11 PM, ga.bates wrote: > Referring to PC-SPES Z'ev asked: > >> Is there a new, 'clean' version out there? > > PC-PLUS is a so-called PC-SPES analog that undergoes rigorous periodic > testing and is available mail order via the web. It is not *exactly* > the > same as PC-SPES but pretty close. Many PC patients take this analog > with > great success (if you consider zero testosterone and gynecomastia - > along > with objective symptom reduction of course - a success) Another > product that > looks similar to PC-SPES is called Rabdosia Prostate Formula by Golden > Flower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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