Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Emmanuel, I don't buy that 2 cents versus dollars stuff. We all need to contribute as much as we can in this enterprise, to the maximum of our abilities, but we also need to recognise the importance of the type of work, and the work itself, that Ken is doing, as well as hold firm in the face of paradigm, research and intercultural issues, and develop our positions, urgently but without rushing. Wainwright - " Emmanuel Segmen " <susegmen Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 PM Re: Exquisite theory > Wainwright, > > Regarding issues of definition and paradigm interactions ... my answer to you is yes, yes, yes. You are stating the case I've been trying to state since early spring of this year on this list. Let's go there. > > I will respond to you points more completely in time ... adding my two cents, as Z'ev would say. In my opinion you and Z'ev speak in dollars as compared to my two cents. > > On the same topic, Ken Rose just walked out my door after having me review his latest post. I approve enormously of his comments. In any developmental situation, it is the richness of the early experiences along with proper nourishment that creates the ground for a successful adulthood. The paradigm of CM must be welcomed into our own culture(s) with all of the development prerequisites. Ken is not engaged in inquisition. Ken is attending with due diligence to developmental issues. I hope everyone pays attention to this. Exaltation only comes from long slow discipline ... getting a quick fix only creates crashes and addictions. Ken is only one messenger. There are others including Harriet Efram, Paul Unschuld as well as others. Ken is trying to function as one of the more responsible midwives of our time. I feel very similarly to Ken though we are of nearly opposite poles in our interior nature. We are each only one person, but in fellowship and in spite of cacophony we c > an function as collective midwives for CM's developmental success. > > In gratitude, > Emmanuel Segmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Wainwright, Yes, I agree with you regarding contributions. I'm not a CM practitioner. I'm a Western science educator who constantly addresses issues of paradigm orientation. Earlier this year I asked people to read Kuhn's " Structure of Scientific Revolutions " , and to my surprise and satisfaction, some did. Please feel free to go back to February, 2002 where I started threads on " dosage comparisons " and " physiological effects versus pharmacological effects " . To me paradigm orienting and rectifying is everything. I will forward some of those posts off list to you. I'm also trained in graduate school in genetic engineering with a cousin in Vienna at the International Atomic Energy Agency who works as a lead scientist in engineering new cell lines for labs around the world. I'm well couched in this paradigm and know well the collisions that are possible. I've worked with CM doctors since 1988 in academic and then industry settings. As I sit here in my San Francisco office, I can review many years of paradigm collisions. Yes, urgency without rushing. I have noted my two cents compared to your dollars of expression simply because of this. I will hopefully host in my physiology classroom over the next year people like Dr. Nam Singh, Ken Rose, and others who are willing to present ideas of CM in a supportive public setting. As a Western scientist who teaches internal cultivation paradigms as an unspoken subtext of my work, I often note to my students and colleagues that we are standing next to a " mountain " . Mostly I just point and grunt. The thousands of years of oral and written CM empiricism is like an ancient Chinese grandmother walking amidst modern Western children. Western science and medicine is like a vigorous young child ... so full of himself ... so preoccupied with his gadgetry .... his computer games and so on. Excuse my digression as I'm impressed by my cousin Dr. Rossitza Krusteva's sobriety as she carries out her genetic engineering work at IAEA in Vienna ... she " gets " what I say about paradigm collisions. She agrees with my assessments of the profound absurdity of her work. How impertinent of me to say so. How powerful of her to further note in great detail to me how " imposing " genes upon other organisms we force the organism to carry around extra proteins and make accommodations for a new homeostasis while carrying out its own necessary homeostatic requirements. She realizes that she is the midwife of a GMO nursery on behalf of the UN. She is the mother of hundreds of cells lines. How shall CM grow amidst all of this? Ken and the principles of my own company have a common thought that perhaps many others have entertained. I've asked Ken to think again how Shanghai Medical University of TCM under the direction of Vice President Dr. Xie can initiate an American campus. Dr. Liang and Dr. Kang where I work are graduates of this university and have been offered the use of the school's name many times to institute an American campus. We do not own enough space but could get started in only small ways. Dr. Xie would very much like to send professors to the U.S. who have reached the age of 55 and must take forced retirement in China. For those with ideals of midwifery of CM in America, this to me seems like an ideal scenario. I'm adding my voice to Ken's as he is attempting to accomodate a group setting where voices can act in concert. You, Wainwright, are amplifying the very positions upon which I've been holding forth. Yes, I will do my best to apply myself to the ideals of CM's arrival and development in the U.S. I have to really bow to so many on this list who have already invested so much of their lives: the Bobs, Marnae, Z'ev, Todd for his patient moderation, Simon Becker, Rory, and all the rest who are too numerous to mention. Excuse me if I feel as though I'm speaking directly into 850 pairs of eyes and ears. As the wonderful Jason Robertson would say, I think I'd like to take my answer off the air. In gratitude, Emmanuel Segmen - wainwrightchurchill Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:39 PM Exquisite theory Emmanuel, I don't buy that 2 cents versus dollars stuff. We all need to contribute as much as we can in this enterprise, to the maximum of our abilities, but we also need to recognise the importance of the type of work, and the work itself, that Ken is doing, as well as hold firm in the face of paradigm, research and intercultural issues, and develop our positions, urgently but without rushing. Wainwright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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