are your patients sick?

[Guest guest]

, " Dean Militello " <

windwater5> wrote:

So my questions to all of you are; who are your patients? Do you or they know

if they are sick by biomedical standards. What percentage of our patients have

biomarkers that indicate serious pathologies

 

good questions, all. I have had many patients who have well defined diseaes

like uterine fibroids who do well and it can be measured. however others like

IBS, CFIDS, PMS and psychiatric are harder to assess. what does it mean when

these later patients get " well " under our care. how do we know anything has

changed besides the patients attitude.

 

lately I have a chronic pancreatitis patient who has familial pancreatitis for 7

years, the last ten months with excruciating pain. she cannot take herbs, but

after just one acupuncture treatment, she dropped most of her pain meds and

cut the rest by 3/4. Last week she reported normal blood tests for epilase, I

think. Her MD had never seen such a conversion. He is actually coming to

watch me do LV 3, 13, 14, Ren 12, 4, 6, St 25, 36 and such things. nothing

fancy. no herbs. and biomarkers change.

 

[Guest guest]

Alon and all, by " considered to be sick " i assume the famous professor

meant that these patients do not exhibit pathologies that can be detected by

modern " biomarkers " .

>>>I assumed the same

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm curious, are these the patients that present with what we may consider

" serious complaints " and yet " all the tests are negative " ?.

>>>>>No i was making the points that there is still plenty of use of CM in

severely sick people.But like in the states many outpatient clinics see many

people with what might call tension related discomforts. Which i like most of

you, and as i understood did the Taiwanese professor,are very important part of

medical care and human suffering.

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Or are they the patients that we might say have " minor complaints " Or are they

both? And is there an institutional system of triage to determine which are the

" sick " patients that get the WM and which are the not sick that get the CM. If

anyone knows how this is done in Taiwan i'd like to hear about it.

>>>>>>>From what i saw in Taiwan the patient directs almost the entire course.

i.e. WM or CM. I did see a few CM practitioners that were proud that their

practice contained many patients that were referred by MDs. There are also a

growing amount of bilaterally trained physicians, i.e. 8 years in school.

alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Has Taiwan concluded that CM is good medicine for the " not sick " and has that

been demonstrated ipso facto here as well? Does it matter who the patients are

when we talk about what the medicine is and what is the relative importance of

efficacy studies?.

>>>Well if we are to define this by the pocket book than there is no comparison.

Western medicine in by far the dominant medicine in Taiwan. However, Chinese

medicine is very high regard, you see many old as well as young patients.

Unfortunately many of the young are there for weight loss. By the way I saw

several Dr recommend an Atkins like diet, that is eat only proteins and dense

vegetables. No rice, noodles, starchy foods etc. Luckily most of the protein

sources are healthy see foods, while meats and some red meats

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

like uterine fibroids who do well and it can be measured. however others like

IBS, CFIDS, PMS and psychiatric are harder to assess. what does it mean when

these later patients get " well " under our care. how do we know anything has

changed besides the patients attitude

>>>Same here

alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have a chronic pancreatitis patient who has familial pancreatitis for 7

years,

>>>I have been doing this with my father in-law for years using herbs however

alon