Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Marnae, I agree that " BH & E " is further from anything that a Chinese doctor might say about what they think or do than is " The Web. " Yet, I tend to see " The Web " as a more important text to critique because it is less obviously interpretive and exerts influence in a part of our society that has both more direct and longer term effects. I think Nigel's critique of " BH & E " got to the essence, so digging into the detail is not as interesting or as productive as comparing " The Web " to Chinese sources. I am no doubt biased by my respect for Harriet and Efram's generosity toward work I think is important - like the Cuban acupuncture programs - but I also feel there is a qualitative difference. While " BH & E " does bring the power of name recognition to its authors and their commercial ventures, the same is true of " The Web's " value to Katpchuk's similar interests. However, " BH & E's " influence largely derives from the lay book market (Barnes and Nobel, etc.) where its effects are more diffuse. On the other hand, " The Web " is an integral part of the confluence of influence over our professional future that is implicit in the endorsements of Harvard and PBS. It seems to me that this entire discussion is solid evidence that the devaluation of anything that is not directly clinically applicable is not benign. Practically, people are going to write the books they want to write and make the claims they think they can justify. The only workable solution is a professional population capable of the critical thinking necessary to sort through these diverse influences and to discuss them in an informed way. It is one thing to hand someone " The Web " and say, " This is the best/most comprehensive book on CM " and it is quite another to give the same person, the same book and say, " Here's a simplified version of TCM that emphasizes those things that intrigue westerners. " The whole brouhaha is a good example of the fact that it is not clinical experience that carries the most influence, but the rationale that best expresses the needs of the time. There were a number of people with more training and clinical experience than Ted, or Harriet and Efram, when their books were first published. Influence did not go to clinical experience but to the satisfaction of desires within their respective readerships. Bob bob Paradigm Publications www.paradigm-pubs.com P.O. Box 1037 Robert L. Felt 202 Bendix Drive 505 758 7758 Taos, New Mexico 87571 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 , " Robert L. Felt " <bob@p...> wrote: On the other > hand, " The Web " is an integral part of the confluence of influence over our > professional future that is implicit in the endorsements of Harvard and > PBS. Bob Certainly the web has more impact on the intelligentsia, so to speak. But H & E has far more impact on the laity, so to speak. so the question is, which, if either, of these groups, will have more impact on our future as a profession. You seem biased towards what the folks at Harvard and PBS say and do and how that affects us. I have no doubt that the impact is dramatic. However the view of most laypeople, including most reporters, is much more likely to be derived from H & E. Thus popular press coverage still often has a slant that paints our profession in a way that is more reminiscent of this latter text than it is of what I practice every day. While your point about the need within our profession to critique the web closely because its defects are more insidious is well taken, this text still is a much better presentation for the general public of what I do than is H & E. Its defects only become apparent to the discerning reader. H & E, on the other hand, indeed does not really justify such close scrutiny because it is fairly well dismissed within the field as interpetive work. But I think you may overrate the current infleunce of the web. I do not think it is considered a major text at any TCM school I know of. It may still be a board reference, but the peculiarities of the web do not actually come up on board exams. And its influence at Harvard will no doubt wane when their own chinese studies departments are exposed to the real rigorous works that are out there. that is bound to happen inevitably. As to whether the paradigm of TCM presented in the web has affected the development of the curriculum in some profound way, I am not sure. Certainly Giovanni has had a far more significant influence on the curriculum of most TCM schools due to the timely publication of " foundations... " and " practice... " Is Gio influenced by the web in his presentation? Certainly schools like PCOM have a few faculty who entered the field because of reading H & E (another insidious problem of this book was its use as a recruitment tool), but all of the core TCM faculty are either chinese, read chinese (or another asian language) or rely exclusively on wisemanese works from BP and paradigm. I would say that despite Ted's help in launching PCOM, his influence at this point is nil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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