Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Marco, I think all your points are important. I would suggest adding the following to the list Recognising people's own capacity for self-healing Asking 'why is my patient coming to see me?' beyond the immediate symptoms they present Understanding illness in the larger contexts of family, work, society Thinking of oneself as a facilitator, helping people to get onto their own unfolding path Being unremittingly ethical in one's practice Years ago, I read of a healer who was a medical doctor, acupuncturist, homeopath, in fact just about everything one can think of. He had concluded that the essential factor in good health was, what in psychological terms, would be called actualising oneself, or individuation. Leading one's life the way that was right for oneself. If people could do this, he maintained, it would carry through into the totality of the being, including physical health. Also, the fact that one was taking the step to do the right thing made it much more likely that things would work out. The complementary aspect of this is to be aware of limitation, to acknowledge and accept that suffering is unavoidable. It is often important for people to be able to come to terms with their problems, and the healer can facilitate this as well. Wainwright - " Marco " <bergh Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:27 PM Re: " better practitioner " > Hi Jose Rivera, > > > I can become a better practitioner when you become a better practitioner. > > > > I am in guatemala which most might know by now and feel sincerly very lonly > with regard to Chinese medicine, in part strugling with how to promote > chinese medicine when on one hand what I can do is premature and also on my > own I spend lots of time wondering how to become a better practitioner... > > Have you any opinions and sugetions? > > What makes you a better practitioner? > > meditation? > > Study books of high fidelity? > > theaching? > > any thing would be welcome... > > > Marco > > - > " Jose Rivera " <earacu2002 > > Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:23 PM > clinical trials > > > > For the last several days I have been reading " comment upon comment " of > why research of CM is difficult etc. Also, the long answers that are only > opinions of one's world view. > > Western thought and medicine will never accept research of CM because > it-Western Medicine is caught up in its on thought. When the thought is > corrupt or bias, the meeting of the minds cannot occur. > > We must strive to be better practitioners not only in word but in work. > > I can become a better practitioner when you become a better practitioner. > > Sincerely, > > Jose Rivera MD > > a student of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Hi Marco, i'm reminded of two stories, anecdotes that have somehow informed my practice. the first involve a practioner (though he was reticent to talk about it) had lived and worked through some of the worst of the Cuultural Revolution. Many of us found him to be an extrodinary practioner, he had devoloped a system of acupuncture and was achieving results that we had not seen before. One day someone asked him the question that you have asked here. His answer, " think about patients all the time " . though he did not say it outright, the subcontext that i heard was that not only did thinking about patients all the time make him a better practioner but it was the only way to survive and practice in a situation where his collegues were being jailed, people were killed etc, etc. The only thing sure in his practice was the patient in front of him at the time. And that was where he put his focus. The other is a story of Dim Sum in Oakland's Chinatown with a Doctor whose family was famous in Toison. He himself had gained a reputation in Oakland and as the waitstaff of the resturaunt were Toisanese, more than once we were interupted by women who wanted to make sure I knew that I was having lunch with a Doctor par excellance, or " number 1, in our city " as they put it. The Doctor was modest, smiled and went back to telling which dishes were appropriate for myself and which were not. At one point a server came and asked a question. They spoke Cantonese and i had no idea what they were saying. She showed the Doc her perscription indicating to me that she indeed had a medical question. Then i saw something quite subtle and profound. Something it would take a better writer to describe, but in that instant I saw my lunchmate go to the place of medicine, perhaps his back straightened a bit or his voice lowered. i really can't say what it was. But i learned that we do what we do with every part of our bodies. That there is a " qi gong " by which we consolidate all of our being (knowledge, care, intuition, etc) and then open it to the person in front of us. I believe i learned more in that lunch than in many classrooms. And the Dim Sum at The Peony is exceptional. If your ever in Oakland the good Doctor recommends the Juk, though he cautions eating in resturaunts more than once per week. Sinc, Dean ineseherbacademy , " Marco " > <bergh@i...> wrote: > > What makes you a better practitioner? > > > > meditation? > > > > Study books of high fidelity? > > > > theaching? > > > > any thing would be welcome... > > > > > > Marco > > > > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Thanks to those whom responded!!! It is actually something super important as it for me makes the connection between say the " individual " and " social " ...be it studies promotion of CM patiance and so forth... Ken: > Better than what? Marco: Then I was yesterday of course, it is a purely internal experience if I have those whom I may treat in mind... For example one reason I feel frustrates and shameful here in Guatemala is that I ought to know how to treat those whom cross the CM path:-) I have a patient with hemariodes and not really treating the person that well. They are happy but I am not. Why because one keeps reading that there are people say in Japan that use exclusively say use moxa or acupuncture or both and they do well. Also, of various masters and skilful practitioners treating hemariods and of course I try to find out about case histories and so forth where hemoriods where part of the problem. (i.e. after CM diagnosis to the level I am capable combining what I think is root and what is branch) I also have a family who's elder son was shot dead not long ago. I treat this family three times a week charging as one session. Why? Because it is as far as I am concern a long term treatment and the father is a alcoholic whom is not drinking at the moment and I see part of the treatment plan of preventing drinking and numerous other emotional and physical complications that can arise out of there situation. They are coming for treatment and feel it is helping but I would like to understand what I am doing and no I do not mean in basic western science terms I mean in real terms eh I mean in Chinese medicine terms because that is what I am trying to use the reasoning as to promote That they take small decisions through out the day that are accomplishable as to nourish the wood phase as to reduce the " obsessive " round and around thinking that they specially the father presents... bicycling (indoors) to stimulate metal phase of which the aim is enabling them to combat sadness... I have not CM medicines here so am learning at least trying to " understand " the plant medicines available here and they are on a rice soup congee diet as to not irritate the wood phase and calm stomach fire (unfortunately they have a horrendous habit of eating meet in excess as oppose to a bit) They are taking hot water to supplement and drain in general... Apart from needling and cupping and sometimes some form of basic massage and basic qi gong movement and or " attitudes " . Someone came for treatment and she is now pregnant I have next to non understanding of a woman in the process of pregnant meaning I am not comfortable with the knowing I have about this (thanks to my self and the school i.e. better practioner involves only one self but actually ramificates into life's social rivers) Thus If I was a better practitioner it simply would be better for them and I... > > If there is no practitioner there, > all it takes to be a better practitioner > is to be there. Woody Allen said that > in life 80% is just showing up. Marco: not quite so simple my friend (see above) Ken: > How to get better? > > In my personal experience, I've found > that the principles of taiji are remarkably > applicable to the development of understanding > and skill in Chinese medicine. This is a > very personal statement, and I am not > saying that everyone needs to do taiji > or be like me. For some reason, whenever > I express an opinion like this, at least > one or two people accuse me of trying > to do some sort of mind control manuver > on the whole world. Marco: I am trying to do and learn more qi gong then when time is right Tai chi but believe me there are as of yet no Bensky or Ken, Ray and so forth here:-) (actually what Guatemala really needs is a female specialist we are very much behind with all macho thinking or shall I say non thinking) > But if you want to know what I think has > helped me pursue being a better practitioner > over the years, it's been the study and > practice of the principles of taiji. > > I think this is important enough so that > I'm writing a whole book about it now. Marco yet another book on the hit list Ken: > For example, in taiji we basically learn > how to do three skills: listen, adhere, > and discharge. > > These are highly applicable skills for > a clincian, and the doctor who can listen > to, adhere to, and discharge a disease > will naturally be seen as excellent by > her patients. > An understanding of taiji will also help > a doctor treat her patients before they > get ill. Whether or not that makes her > a better doctor may then be beside the > point, for one who practices medicine in > this fashion is truly superior. > > Ken Marco: will write these things in " my book of recipes " thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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