Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Hi All, & Hi Jim, I wrote: > If you want high accuracy, the mix is 737ml of 95% Everclear + > 263ml distilled water > = 1 litre of 70.015% alcohol. Jim Ramholz replied: > Phil: What's the rationale for the different percent of ethanol > for extraction? Jim, I was only doing the maths to reach the 70%, as was asked by a CHA member. Karen Vaughan wrote: > Resins usually need quite high alcohol percentages to extract > whereas polysaccharides need around 25% or they will clump, and > other compounds each have their preferred extraction range. So I > would extract Moyao or Ruxiang at full strength and Lingzhi at 25%. > Minerals don't extract well in alcohol so I might boil Muli in > water in greater than normal concentrations and use it to dilute > other formula ingredients (but manual shaking of the resultant > tincture would be required as the minerals would settle). Would experts agree that, for most purposes, immersion of herbs/formulas in whiskey/brandy for at least 1 week, followed by homogenisation (blending in a kitchen blender) usually is OK? This way, nothing is lost because the homogenised residue is included in the final dose. I like to add honey to the blended mix. The mix of homogenised Ginseng slices [the only herb that I have extracted in that way], spirit and honey also tastes very well! Would CHA experts like to discuss WHICH herbal RESIDUES should NOT be included in the final dose? I am no expert in chemistry, or in extration of herbs! I rely on the - opinions from experts as to how THEY extract their herbs. Opinions vary from 25% alcohol for polysaccharides (Karen) to 35- 45% alcohol in sorghum spirit and standard supermarket spirits, to " full strength " (100% alcohol?) for Moyao & Ruxiang (Karen). And Karen added that shells (Muli) [and stones (like Shigao)? or fossilized ingredients (like Longgu & Hupo?)] should be boiled in water rather than extracted in alcohol. I hope to learn from you. Many thanks, Phil Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 , " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi All, & Hi Jim, > > I wrote: > > If you want high accuracy, the mix is 737ml of 95% Everclear + > > 263ml distilled water > = 1 litre of 70.015% alcohol. > > Jim Ramholz replied: > > Phil: What's the rationale for the different percent of ethanol > > for extraction? > > Jim, I was only doing the maths to reach the 70%, as was asked > by a CHA member. >>> Phil: Oh, thanks. It was getting to be quite a long thread and I though I had missed an important point. I've noticed when making tinctures that something changes in the flavors and potency in certain stages: 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, and 1 year. After aging several years, I feel that the tincture or liniment is too good for patients. ;-) It would be interesting to do some testing and see if any new things come out in older tinctures. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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