Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 I am curious to know if anyone has treated patients with smoke inhalation, especially for long-term effects. Obviously according to pattern and presentation, but specifically for smoke (and toxic elements) as a pathogen. Here in NYC we have firefighters and other first responders with lung damage in numbers roughly equal to the number of those who died on Sept. 11. From my own observation, many people held up well in the first 6-8 months or so, despite breathing smoke all day for 4 months (the fires were extinguished in December). Illness did not fully develop until after that, often a year or more later. The City has put in place a World Trade Center Health Registry to follow the longterm health of people affected, but this does not take into account CM treatments. Now the folks in California are experiencing smoke first-hand. Aside from the obvious -- get out of the smoke or wear a mask -- what do you find to be effective? I myself spent that year 3 blocks from the WTC site and held up very well, lung-wise, considering I am usually rather sensitive to smoke. I attribute this to the elevated immune response that lingered for several months after the attack. (I noticed this in many other people as well.) However, a year later, I was obliged to be in a room with cigarette smokers for 3 hours, which seemed to act as a " challenge " to my system, and I immediately developed the worst bronchial infection of my life. I spent 3 months coughing up unbelievable amounts of gunk. I wonder what happens long-term to the people who don't have such a healing crisis. Pat ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Hi Pat, I am curious about this as well. Last year, I spent a weekend in the San Bernardino fires and subsequently developed the kind of lung illness you described, and it lasted for several months. This week, here with the San Diego fires, I am finding my lungs are less resilient than they were a year ago; also, my asthma has been much worse in the past 6 months. Mostly, though, I stared with incomprehension at the many people I saw wandering around earlier this week, smoking cigarettes (inhaling smoke), when we were all being advised to stay indoors and wear air filter masks when outdoors... Pat Ethridge <pat.ethridge wrote: I am curious to know if anyone has treated patients with smoke inhalation, especially for long-term effects. Obviously according to pattern and presentation, but specifically for smoke (and toxic elements) as a pathogen. Here in NYC we have firefighters and other first responders with lung damage in numbers roughly equal to the number of those who died on Sept. 11. From my own observation, many people held up well in the first 6-8 months or so, despite breathing smoke all day for 4 months (the fires were extinguished in December). Illness did not fully develop until after that, often a year or more later. The City has put in place a World Trade Center Health Registry to follow the longterm health of people affected, but this does not take into account CM treatments. Now the folks in California are experiencing smoke first-hand. Aside from the obvious -- get out of the smoke or wear a mask -- what do you find to be effective? I myself spent that year 3 blocks from the WTC site and held up very well, lung-wise, considering I am usually rather sensitive to smoke. I attribute this to the elevated immune response that lingered for several months after the attack. (I noticed this in many other people as well.) However, a year later, I was obliged to be in a room with cigarette smokers for 3 hours, which seemed to act as a " challenge " to my system, and I immediately developed the worst bronchial infection of my life. I spent 3 months coughing up unbelievable amounts of gunk. I wonder what happens long-term to the people who don't have such a healing crisis. Pat ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 I noticed this also after 9/11. People would be standing outside smoking their cigarettes (it's illegal to smoke in public buildings here) while the ambient air was thick enough to choke on, and everyone else was hurrying to get inside. A poignant demonstration of the power of nicotine addiction. Pat Hi Pat, I am curious about this as well. Last year, I spent a weekend in the San Bernardino fires and subsequently developed the kind of lung illness you described, and it lasted for several months. This week, here with the San Diego fires, I am finding my lungs are less resilient than they were a year ago; also, my asthma has been much worse in the past 6 months. Mostly, though, I stared with incomprehension at the many people I saw wandering around earlier this week, smoking cigarettes (inhaling smoke), when we were all being advised to stay indoors and wear air filter masks when outdoors... Pat Ethridge <pat.ethridge wrote: I am curious to know if anyone has treated patients with smoke inhalation, especially for long-term effects. Obviously according to pattern and presentation, but specifically for smoke (and toxic elements) as a pathogen. Here in NYC we have firefighters and other first responders with lung damage in numbers roughly equal to the number of those who died on Sept. 11. From my own observation, many people held up well in the first 6-8 months or so, despite breathing smoke all day for 4 months (the fires were extinguished in December). Illness did not fully develop until after that, often a year or more later. The City has put in place a World Trade Center Health Registry to follow the longterm health of people affected, but this does not take into account CM treatments. Now the folks in California are experiencing smoke first-hand. Aside from the obvious -- get out of the smoke or wear a mask -- what do you find to be effective? I myself spent that year 3 blocks from the WTC site and held up very well, lung-wise, considering I am usually rather sensitive to smoke. I attribute this to the elevated immune response that lingered for several months after the attack. (I noticed this in many other people as well.) However, a year later, I was obliged to be in a room with cigarette smokers for 3 hours, which seemed to act as a " challenge " to my system, and I immediately developed the worst bronchial infection of my life. I spent 3 months coughing up unbelievable amounts of gunk. I wonder what happens long-term to the people who don't have such a healing crisis. Pat ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 I noticed this also after 9/11. People would be standing outside smoking their cigarettes (it's illegal to smoke in public buildings here) while the ambient air was thick enough to choke on, and everyone else was hurrying to get inside. A poignant demonstration of the power of nicotine addiction. >>>>Hell go to a hospital were emphysema or lung ca patients are treated,they still smoke coughing with every drag.They say that when nicotine is injected a cocaine addict can not tell the diffrence between cocaine and nicotine alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 , " Alon Marcus " > >>>>They say that when nicotine is injected a cocaine addict can not tell the diffrence between cocaine and nicotine At deep levels of addiction, the substance injected is not longer the main stimuli. Instead, the ritual behind such addiction bears more significance than the dope itself. I recall in younger days when some fellows I knew would inject mayonnaise and get a rush. I found it significant that during my days at Lincoln Detox (as a student) several clients got a rush out of the needles being inserted by hand. Many of the clients preferred a rookie since their hand insertion technique provoked more pain and a subsequent rush. I believe that nicotine as a substance is very powerful and in some cases serves a good purpose. I don't recall where I read that research was being done with nicotine for Alzheimer's patients due to the effect of nicotine on nicotinic receptors and their role in memory. Personally, I do not think that nicotine as received from cigarettes is as addictive as we are led to believe. It's is my conviction, based on my own studies and research on addiction, that most of the so called cigarette addiction is propaganda promulgated by the tobacco companies. Nicotine shelf life is not that long. The issue is more behavioral. The patterns of behavior that have become so closely tied to smoking is imo the problem and it's the main issue I address in smoking cessation tx conbining acupuncture, qi gong, hypnosis and herbal rx. Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 After 9/11 many of us saw a lot of WTC cough - similar to smoke inhalation but perhaps more chemicals. K'an's Wise Judge and Subhuti's Lily 14 were often or Tremella 14 often proved quite helpful. Marnae At 09:50 AM 11/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I noticed this also after 9/11. People would be standing outside smoking >their cigarettes (it's illegal to smoke in public buildings here) while the >ambient air was thick enough to choke on, and everyone else was hurrying to >get inside. A poignant demonstration of the power of nicotine addiction. > >Pat > > >Hi Pat, > >I am curious about this as well. Last year, I spent a weekend in the San >Bernardino fires and subsequently developed the kind of lung illness you >described, and it lasted for several months. This week, here with the San >Diego fires, I am finding my lungs are less resilient than they were a year >ago; also, my asthma has been much worse in the past 6 months. > >Mostly, though, I stared with incomprehension at the many people I saw >wandering around earlier this week, smoking cigarettes (inhaling smoke), >when we were all being advised to stay indoors and wear air filter masks >when outdoors... > > > >Pat Ethridge <pat.ethridge wrote: >I am curious to know if anyone has treated patients with smoke inhalation, >especially for long-term effects. Obviously according to pattern and >presentation, but specifically for smoke (and toxic elements) as a >pathogen. Here in NYC we have firefighters and other first responders with >lung damage in numbers roughly equal to the number of those who died on >Sept. 11. From my own observation, many people held up well in the first >6-8 months or so, despite breathing smoke all day for 4 months (the fires >were extinguished in December). Illness did not fully develop until after >that, often a year or more later. The City has put in place a World Trade >Center Health Registry to follow the longterm health of people affected, >but this does not take into account CM treatments. Now the folks in >California are experiencing smoke first-hand. Aside from the obvious -- >get out of the smoke or wear a mask -- what do you find to be effective? > >I myself spent that year 3 blocks from the WTC site and held up very well, >lung-wise, considering I am usually rather sensitive to smoke. I attribute >this to the elevated immune response that lingered for several months after >the attack. (I noticed this in many other people as well.) However, a >year later, I was obliged to be in a room with cigarette smokers for 3 >hours, which seemed to act as a " challenge " to my system, and I immediately >developed the worst bronchial infection of my life. I spent 3 months >coughing up unbelievable amounts of gunk. I wonder what happens long-term >to the people who don't have such a healing crisis. > >Pat > > > >============================================================================== > >NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally >privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use >or >disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are >believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any >computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the >responsibility >of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is >accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage >arising >in any way from its use. > >============================================================================== > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 that most of the so called cigarette addiction is propaganda promulgated by the tobacco companies. >>>Excuse me, this is exactly what they tried to hide for many years and paid lots of money for Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Interesting, I've been using the Wise Judge to good effect after the fires here. I definitely was helped by it. Also xi yang shen, straight up. On Nov 3, 2003, at 8:15 AM, Marnae Ergil wrote: > After 9/11 many of us saw a lot of WTC cough - similar to smoke > inhalation > but perhaps more chemicals. K'an's Wise Judge and Subhuti's Lily 14 > were > often or Tremella 14 often proved quite helpful. > > Marnae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 It's also interesting and relevant that cigarettes contain trace amounts of lithium, used for manic depression. Yehuda ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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