Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 I absolutely agree with Teresa and Julie. People want to get well and feel good. You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Well low and behold, people receive care from Oriental practitioners and they feel good, get better. They go to MDs and they don't. If I were sick, and not getting anywhere, spending hundreds of dollars on medical care, I would certainly go to where my friends were getting results. Unless you are charging your patients less than $40 a visit, there is no way that with the most basic marketing you're not going to make $50,000/year within a year, and much more than that subsequently. I strongly suggest that those in doubt take the Blue Poppy course given by Honora Wolfe and Marilyn Allen on building a practice and making $100,000 a year. Where there's a will there's a way! Yehuda On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:01:50 -0800 " Teresa Hall " <Teresa.bodywork4u writes: > > > > > > > > Preposterous ...you say the last published study had the average > income > in > > our profession at $24,000 per year ... that is below the poverty > level.... > > maybe its a bit more then 10% ... maybe it is not so > preposterous.... or > > why are the numbers being so closely held by those who know?? > > > > > I find this difficult to believe. I just finished my 2nd year of > practice > and am making twice that much and plan to double that, in the next 2 > years. > It is easy to blame other people, places and things. I live in a > area that > is heavily, very heavily populated with Acupuncturists and > herbalists, > however *still* seeem to find myself VERY busy! I have never, as of > yet > been questioned by any so called *polls* or *surveys*, as to what my > income > is. There is an abundance of opportunity for our profession. I > think allot > of people limit themselves. If someone is only making > 24,000.00/year... > then one must be limiting their opportunity and or worth! Then > again, maybe > its about self belief systems. For example, I believe I am totally > co-creating this experience of being . > > Teresa > Very happy with my education > > > ------- --- > ---- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Yehuda unfortunately research shows that people tend to be satisfied with care more on the bases of being " heard " and cared for and less about their actual symptoms improving. This is also true in terms of malpractice. Patients often do not sue a dr that does very poor medicine and has committed malpractice just because they like him/her. At the same time if they are suing they will turn around and sue everybody because the lawyer tells them to. Patient satisfaction is very complex.I not know how much case review you have seen but it is common to see patients seeing their practitioners for years, sometimes multiple times per week and clearly they are no better than when they started. When you start doing WC or IMEs you will see this every day. Many patients get touched more by their practitioners than their spouses. alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 When you start doing WC or IMEs you will see this every day. Many patients get touched more by their practitioners than their spouses. >>>>is that not part of the " hidden " qi " factor? and how could one generate the well being aspect " at will " ? to enhance the treatment what ever it may be... Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 When you start doing WC or IMEs you will see this every day. Many patients get touched more by their practitioners than their spouses. >>>>is that not part of the " hidden " qi " factor? and how could one generate the well being aspect " at will " ? to enhance the treatment what ever it may be... Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 >>>>is that not part of the " hidden " qi " factor? and how could one generate the well being aspect " at will " ? to enhance the treatment what ever it may be... Marco >>>>Yes if you pay for it yourself alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Yes if you pay for it yourself alon >>>>what do you mean? Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Yes if you pay for it yourself alon >>>>what do you mean? >>>>>>As long as one pays for his own care i do not care if you put potatoes on his/her head and if they feel benefit fine. But if you ask me to pay, ie via insurance than just saying they " feel " benefit is not enough. For example, in work comp i need to see real changes and benefit. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Alon, , " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > Yes if you pay for it yourself > alon > >>>>what do you mean? > >>>>>>As long as one pays for his own care i do not care if you put potatoes on his/her head and if they feel benefit fine. But if you ask me to pay, ie via insurance than just saying they " feel " benefit is not enough. For example, in work comp i need to see real changes and benefit. > Alon Thanks for this. It's another enlightening insight into things. Let me see if I got it straight. If a person has money, they are entitled to health care that is more or less self-defined. But people who lack the cash, must be subject to State mandated standards of change and benefit, and this is how it ought to be. Is that your position? Is it a statement of a natural law? Is it an ideal to which you aspire? Is it the embodiment of some political philosophy? An approach to economic theory? Or just more hardboiled pragmatism? That's the way the world is? Since you know what I am thinking, and how I will respond to you, what do you think I'll say next? Ken PS. I really do have something to say next, but before I say it, I'd like to understand more clearly where you stand on the issue you are addressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 If a person has money, they are entitled to health care that is more or less self-defined. But people who lack the cash, must be subject to State mandated standards of change and benefit, and this is how it ought to be. Is that your position? >>>>>My position is that if one is only getting touched and there is no documented medical benefit except that one likes it then self pay should the standard. If there is medical necessity and benefit then it is a different story. No i do not think we need to take care of every persons needs for the rest of their lives. I will not pay for them to get laid, or just be touched. I am saying this knowing very well that stress care is very important and can save lots of money. But if somebody is paying for you may be you need to learn self stress care. May be i will pay for classes in tai qi etc on a limited bases. But this must be self empowering not just feel good care Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 But this must be self empowering not just feel good care >>>>I was in actually trying to convey via e mail medium how can one enhance real subjective and objective changes as well as perceived and or noted changes if you like via mobilising " the " qi. which some how seams to be what is happening when one has good rappo with the other person... not sure if you would simply refer to this as the placebo effect which has been studied for some time now and some western specialist are of the opinion that it (placebo effect) are actually concrete reactions and changes in certain arias of the brain... Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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