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Dear Marnae Ergil,

 

 

Marnae:

>

> Yes, we need to update our examination, as well as our textbooks and our

> teaching styles.

 

Marco:

 

How is this done?

 

Allowing for diversity what is happening with the teachers association?

 

seam to recall someone sent a e-mail with regard to contact someone...

 

I am not really a teacher but since there is no one in Guatemala as far as

I am aware concern about these things and hopefully next year get some sort

of course going... the above and constant flow of e mails to this list and

others are paramount...

 

The problem has been identified what are some steps that can be done?

 

A short or long course for teachers of Chinese medicine (workshops)?

 

A more sophisticated and hence difficult exams for certified teachers of

Chinese medicine?

 

Indeed I always tend to think that a professor needs to be at the advance

end

and while I was studying " formally " that was not necessarily the case.

 

Basic vocabulary agreed upon say 100-200 words that at least need to be

explained in depth?

 

Or more?

 

And if a teacher does not agree with the vocabulary at least a cross

reference list could be develop...

 

Art of communicating i.e. interpersonal skills ...

 

 

 

 

Marnae:

However, as a health profession in 21st century America

> it is unlikely that we will ever be able to reach a place where we can

give

> the kind of test that we as teachers use in our classes - to test a

> relatively large population in an economically feasible way it must be

> multiple choice.

 

Marco:

 

But the exams for teachers could be more elaborate and hence some of it

would trickle into the class time.

 

 

Marnae:

For me, this goes back to doctoral education. IF we want to leave behind

the idea of

> being a finite vocational field then we need to create doctorates that are

> really that - not just more of the same stuff in a different format or a

> way to shore up poor master's level education. To my mind a doctorate is

> for the mnority, not the majority of the individuals in a profession. It

> is to train people to teach, to go beyond the basics - I know I know its

> been said a million times - this is a clinical doctorate, not a Ph.D, but

> I think the profession made the wrong choice. We should have gone for the

> Ph.D first - and trained the faculty to teach at the master's level and

> then created a clinical doctorate for those few master's students who

> really want to go on. A clinical doctorate will not really aid the

> profession in advancing to the next level of education - it does not teach

> a person how to think, to reason and to teach - it teaches them how to

> practice at a specialized level.

 

Marco:

 

Agree in many ways how can a Ph.d. then be developed?

 

I think Korea has a Ph.d system and or?

 

In a way a international conference based in Guatemala of course:-)

 

" Ought " to be developed:

 

" Logistics and contents of infrastructure of higher educational coursers in

China Japan Korea Taiwan Vietnam... "

 

Sub headings:

 

Materials how to impart and access knowledge...

 

Community practice - hospital practice - clinic (canter?)...

 

Practice in developing Country...?

 

Allied topics:

 

Western medicine

Ayerveda

Unani

Tibetan

epidemilogy

medical anthropology (sociology as well?)

Public health awareness and theory and practice?

 

 

 

Marnae:

It is all very well for us, on this forum

> to talk about how we teach, but pretty clearly, those of who are talking

on

> this forum, already, for the most part agree on what needs to be done -

but

 

Marco

 

how to teach?

 

Marnae:

So, if we train the teachers and then get the regulatory

> agencies to toughen the standards - not just for the daily running of the

> program but the actual academic standards this is how we can raise the

> level of education in our field - when we raise the level of education,

the

> exams will follow suit

 

Marco:

 

Agree hence in a country where there really are no teachers and all is done

pure cowboy style.

 

How can I at least try to enhance my personal capabilities?

 

As a wana be teacher:-) and practiner and sincerely think that that is how

something more concrete could develop in a country like Guatemala... i.e.

encouraging more locals:-) to make an genuine effort to learn TEAM and or

Chinese medicine...

 

 

 

 

 

Marnae:

- back to Will's earlier point. If we train our

> students to think, to understand how important it is to be involved in the

> development of their profession then they will become the board members of

> the NCCAOM, the accreditors, the folks running schools etc. etc. and this

> will bring about change. BUt if we continue to train the status quo and

we

> do not support our faculty and work to get faculty who understand

pedagogy,

> well... we know what happens. So, who is going to follow in Marion Blum's

> lead and get the commission together to assess the field - let's do a

> Flexner report of our own field and see where we want to go!

 

Marco:

 

Flexner report que es?

 

What is it?

 

Is this something that a teachers association could be involved in?

 

Could I be involved in a teacher association with out really being a genuine

teacher but with the heart to try to develop these things as solid and as

fluid as possible in Guatemala?

 

Marco

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Is anybody looking at books from Taiwan to translate? It would be interesting to

have more materials on how they use the formulas

alon