Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Is it generally considered true with regard to sexual function in males that while the kidneys rule desire, the liver is responsible for erections What is the mechanism if this is correct? It was asked to me by a student, but I had not heard that exact delineation of things. So what I usually do in such cases is search my mind for liver herbs that are typically used for such things. Marnae spoke at the last CHA conference and reading through her list of about 40 formulas for various forms of male sexual dysfunction, the only ones I see for the liver relate to depression, dampheat, cold stag and blood stasis. None relate to the liver's control over the sinews or its storage of the blood. They seemed more to do with its coursing. On the other hand, many yang tonics are said to enter the liver channel. I always understood this to relate to the liver's control over the sinews and that these herbs strengthened the sinews. Chinese Herbs " Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds " -- Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 10:21 PM, wrote: > Is it generally considered true with regard to sexual function in males > that while the kidneys rule desire, the liver is responsible for > erections > > What is the mechanism if this is correct? My understanding is identical to yours. Firstly, the penis is often called a tendon. Ancestral Tendon, most notably. Liver rules tendons. The penis fills with blood to become erect. I'm not sure that this is TCM, but certainly its hard to ignore the obvious. Liver stores the Blood. I believe that the herbs that course the Liver on Marnae's list are moving the blood into the penis. I've seen erectile disfunction arise from Qi and Blood stagnation. The Liver channel obviously passes through the penis too. Kidneys are home to the will, libido is a lot like will. Clinically, I do make it a point to discover if a man's issue is about libido or erection. The two are related because the " Kidney Liver Same Mother " or water generates wood, but therapeutically, they may be separate. Mostly I think about the libido issue as Kidney Yang and the erectile disfunction as Liver Blood stagnation or some other Blood issue. I've treated both with these assumptions and found positive responses. I even have a couple of babies born in the past year to prove it. : ) -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Another factor in male sexual dysfunction is dampness generating by spleen qi vacuity, causing accumulation of turbid damp that over time transforms to damp-heat. The damp heat sinks to the lower burner, causing zong jin chi zhong/slackness of the ancestral sinew. On Nov 4, 2003, at 5:50 PM, al stone wrote: > On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 10:21 PM, wrote: > >> Is it generally considered true with regard to sexual function in >> males >> that while the kidneys rule desire, the liver is responsible for >> erections >> >> What is the mechanism if this is correct? > > My understanding is identical to yours. > > Firstly, the penis is often called a tendon. Ancestral Tendon, most > notably. Liver rules tendons. > > The penis fills with blood to become erect. I'm not sure that this is > TCM, but certainly its hard to ignore the obvious. Liver stores the > Blood. I believe that the herbs that course the Liver on Marnae's list > are moving the blood into the penis. I've seen erectile disfunction > arise from Qi and Blood stagnation. The Liver channel obviously passes > through the penis too. > > Kidneys are home to the will, libido is a lot like will. > > Clinically, I do make it a point to discover if a man's issue is about > libido or erection. The two are related because the " Kidney Liver Same > Mother " or water generates wood, but therapeutically, they may be > separate. Mostly I think about the libido issue as Kidney Yang and the > erectile disfunction as Liver Blood stagnation or some other Blood > issue. I've treated both with these assumptions and found positive > responses. I even have a couple of babies born in the past year to > prove it. : ) > > > -- > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > -Adlai Stevenson > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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