inflimation alwyas heat and thus treatment?

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Hi Doug and list

 

Come to think about if we take the approach that inflammation is always heat

how does it affect your diagnosis treatment principals and treatment

plan(s)?

 

I would be keen on such a thread...

 

Marco

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Dear Robert Hayden.

 

do you acumoxa inflamation diagnosed as heat?

 

or any inflamation possibly dignoses as say liver blood vacutiy drying up

the channels and colatrals...

 

Local and or distal?

 

Marco

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Come to think about if we take the approach that inflammation is always heat

how does it affect your diagnosis treatment principals and treatment

plan(s)?

>>>Don't make this mistake. CM must be practiced on its own logic. What you can

do is use WM information to see if first it applies to your patient, to

understand the course of the disease and thus understand if you are doing

something good, and to widen your perspective so that you will look for certain

signs and symptoms, and that means you than might need to use technology to see

and find these signs. The signs are than used within CM. The worst thing you can

do, at this point which I believe will change with time, is prescribe only on

the basis of WM diagnosis.

Alon

 

 

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I agree with Alon.

 

 

On Nov 4, 2003, at 2:43 PM, Alon Marcus wrote:

 

> Come to think about if we take the approach that inflammation is

> always heat

> how does it affect your diagnosis treatment principals and treatment

> plan(s)?

>>>> Don't make this mistake. CM must be practiced on its own logic.

>>>> What you can do is use WM information to see if first it applies to

>>>> your patient, to understand the course of the disease and thus

>>>> understand if you are doing something good, and to widen your

>>>> perspective so that you will look for certain signs and symptoms,

>>>> and that means you than might need to use technology to see and

>>>> find these signs. The signs are than used within CM. The worst

>>>> thing you can do, at this point which I believe will change with

>>>> time, is prescribe only on the basis of WM diagnosis.

> Alon

>

>

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Alon et al.

 

One thing that may be helpful in this inflammation discussion is to remember

that there is an absolutely necessary presence of redness and a subjective or

objective presence of warmth to define a condition in Chinese as " heat " . As you

said Alon, you can't use western medicine diagnosis-like inflammation- as a

place to start a CM discussion. Of course, if you look at things at a cellular

level you may see signs of changes that indicate infection in situations that

have no outward signs of redness or warmth. In those cases, if the area is

still inflamed, then you might have a case of " swelling " (zhong) which could

involve cold. I think that all of this stays much clearer if you stick to the

Chinese concepts.

 

Alternatively, you could go down the path that seems to be developing here of

separating a western term, " inflammation " , into cold-type and heat-type.

 

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[Guest guest]

, Jason Robertson

<kentuckyginseng> wrote:

> Alon et al.

>

> One thing that may be helpful in this inflammation discussion is

to remember that there is an absolutely necessary presence of

redness and a subjective or objective presence of warmth to define a

condition in Chinese as " heat " . >>>

 

 

What if there is only localized, internal inflammation---so there

isn't obvious redness or warmth?

 

 

Jim Ramholz

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What if there is only localized, internal inflammation---so there

isn't obvious redness or warmth?

>>>>>Again i think the main issue is or can you document signs such as redness

and heat. The word inflammation is not enough. We need to always have more info

from the biomedical perspective to know what kind of inflammation we are talking

about and therefore what the tissues look and feel like. If it is internal and

by technology one can see the evidence of such tissue change i would have no

problem trying a Heat diagnosis, at least congested (constraint) heat.

alon