Rory's idea of calling schools and sharing the data here

[Guest guest]

Rory,

 

I think this is an excellent idea and more or

less exactly the kind of initiative I have in

mind when I talk about truth and reconciliation.

We should know these things, as I suggested

in my other post on this just now, and students

should be allowed to make informed decisions

on the basis of such criteria as how successful

graduates of a certain program are.

 

I like the idea of developing a more detailed

profile so that the data can be collected and

shared in the future.

 

Someone should be holding the schools

feet to the fire and demanding that they turn

out graduates who can flourish in practice.

 

The obvious people to do this are the graduates

and the prospective students. And to do

it properly, this one stream of data in particular

could be quite helpful.

 

Ken

[Guest guest]

Interesting also would be a demographic on which graduates are creating thriving

practices. It has been my impression (based on relatively little data) that

there are more students in there 20's studying chinese medicine a few years out

of university but without real career experience (as opposed to people who later

in life are making CM a second or third career) than there were 10 or so years

ago. It is also my impression that the motivated 20-somethings are those most

likely to start " living wage " practices. Does anyone else see this as a trend?

Dean

-

kenrose2008

Tuesday, November 04, 2003 6:21 PM

Rory's idea of calling schools and sharing the data here

 

 

Rory,

 

I think this is an excellent idea and more or

less exactly the kind of initiative I have in

mind when I talk about truth and reconciliation.

We should know these things, as I suggested

in my other post on this just now, and students

should be allowed to make informed decisions

on the basis of such criteria as how successful

graduates of a certain program are.

 

I like the idea of developing a more detailed

profile so that the data can be collected and

shared in the future.

 

Someone should be holding the schools

feet to the fire and demanding that they turn

out graduates who can flourish in practice.

 

The obvious people to do this are the graduates

and the prospective students. And to do

it properly, this one stream of data in particular

could be quite helpful.

 

Ken

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

All:

I agree that it is the interest of the field to publish figures on

success in practice but those figures don't exist. Schools do take

surveys but they are self selected and have no statistical validity.

None.It is impossible to know whether those respondents really

represent the majority of members or not. How many of you have

filled out a survey lately? Some do but so few as to not necessarily

represent the field.

This representation issue is the crux of the difference between a

self-selected respondent survey and a statistical survey. When

practitioners are free to respond to the survey or not, you have no

real assurance that that only people who have strong, negative, or

positive have responded to the survey. You do not know whether a

bias is being introduced into the responses.

So if someone does approach the schools for information be sure to

ask what percentage of the population actually responded. My guess

is that it will be quite low.

Warren

 

 

-- In , " Dean Militello "

<windwater5> wrote:

> Interesting also would be a demographic on which graduates are

creating thriving practices. It has been my impression (based on

relatively little data) that there are more students in there 20's

studying chinese medicine a few years out of university but without

real career experience (as opposed to people who later in life are

making CM a second or third career) than there were 10 or so years

ago. It is also my impression that the motivated 20-somethings are

those most likely to start " living wage " practices. Does anyone else

see this as a trend? Dean

]

[Guest guest]

I agree from my observation also that 20-something people are becoming

more common. In the USA, I think it is due to the financial aid now

becoming more readily available. However I am not at all certain that

they will have a better shot at the " living wage " practices than people

already experienced in business. From the graduates of my school, I do

not see this as the case, but I have a small market sample to observe.

I am also not at all convinced that they will be as proficient healers

as those older people who have greater life experience and hopefully

the beginnings of wisdom. Christina

 

--- Dean Militello <windwater5 wrote:

> Interesting also would be a demographic on which graduates are

> creating thriving practices. It has been my impression (based on

> relatively little data) that there are more students in there 20's

> studying chinese medicine a few years out of university but without

> real career experience (as opposed to people who later in life are

> making CM a second or third career) than there were 10 or so years

> ago. It is also my impression that the motivated 20-somethings are

> those most likely to start " living wage " practices. Does anyone else

> see this as a trend? Dean

 

 

 

Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard

http://antispam./whatsnewfree

[Guest guest]

Regarding self-polling, I used to be a San Francisco cab drive circa 1979-80.

Asking a cab driver how much they make per day is like asking a fisherman the

size of the last fish he caught. I sense that asking people any personal

question without reference to documentation will result in very little reality.

 

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 11:16 PM +0000 11/5/03, kenrose2008 wrote:

>Clearly someone

>seeks to keep the data obscure if it has

>been classified by the institutionalized

>process of accreditation as in that category

>of data that must be kept confidential throughout

>the review process by which that accreditation

>is granted...or not granted.

--

Ken,

 

This doesn't quite represent the situation. The school is always free

to publish any information they wish about their operation, including

alumni survey results, whether or not they are involved in an

accreditation process. Anyone is free to ask any school anything they

like, and the school is free to answer. It is only the ACAOM site

visitors who are bound by confidentiality. Site visitors have a very

specific task to accomplish, which is to assess whether or not the

institution meets the accreditation requirements, and to report to

the ACAOM Commisioners. Nothing else. The Commissioners then make a

report on each accreditation process, which is public record, and

which includes the criteria for their decision whether or not to

grant or renew accreditation. The requirements for accreditation are

public record, I believe, and are very specific.

 

Rory

--

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rory,

 

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

However it's organized, I'd still just like

to know the profile of the various schools

in terms of survival rate of their graduates

in professional practice.

 

Ken