Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Hi All, & Hi Jason, Jason Robertson <kentuckyginseng wrote: " In the past year in Beijing I have seen over and over and over again how an acupuncturist with a formidable command of classical Chinese medical theory in his brain consistently gets significantly better results than other practitioners. I see acupuncture successfully treat conditions that both western medicine and Chinese herbal medicine have tried to treat (sometimes by some of the most famous herbalists). This whole discussion represents part of the growing pains of Chinese medicine in western countries. There is a problem with access to thorough, logical, teachable acupuncture theory. This is even true in Chinese by the way. I'm not speaking as a wild-eyed hippie with a mind clouded by new age delusions. Hell, I came here to study herbal medicine and have been totally diverted by the staggering depth of acupuncture. I have spent as much time as most of you out there studying herbal medicine. If anything, I came here with a strong bias against acupuncture. If anyone on this list would like to see concrete examples of how theory and technique can significantly improve the results of acupuncture treatments, come to Beijing. Bring your thinking cap- it isn't easy. My phone number is at the bottom of this e-mail. respectfully, Jason Robertson L.Ac. Ju Er Hu Tong 19 Hao Yuan 223 Shi Beijing, Peoples Republic of China home-86-010-8405- 0531 cell- 86-010-13520155800 " 1. Some herbalists claim that AP can DRAIN excesses (Shi), MOVE Qi-Xue or FREE blocked Qi or Xue, but that it CANNOT Build/Replenish/Tonify Qi-Xue in Xu states (deficiency, depletion, emptiness). IMO, such statements are incorrect; I have seen many cases where AP alone had very clear tonic effect on Qi Xu states. Also there are some research articles that show clear effet of AP on anaemia (one aspect of Xue Xu) Jason (and anyone else), in your opinion and personal experience can AP tonify Qi Xu and/or Xue Xu? 2. Jason (and any other CHA respondents to this mail), may I have your permission to cross-post this, and your responses, to acupuncture lists? IMO, these are an important questions, of interest far beyond the CHA List. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 , " " wrote: > 1. Some herbalists claim that AP can DRAIN excesses (Shi), > MOVE Qi-Xue or FREE blocked Qi or Xue, but that it CANNOT > Build/Replenish/Tonify Qi-Xue in Xu states (deficiency, depletion, > emptiness). > > IMO, such statements are incorrect; I have seen many cases > where AP alone had very clear tonic effect on Qi Xu states. Also > there are some research articles that show clear effet of AP on > anaemia (one aspect of Xue Xu)>>> Phil: I agree with you. No condition is contraindicated when the right method is used. We do it all the time. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Phil Thanks for your reply. Another diversion into acupuncture here: The concept of tonification with acupuncture is one that has been on my mind the whole time here in Beijing. According to Dr. Wang Ju Yi, his experience is that acupuncture can be used for tonification. As long as a person has source qi moving in their meridians, then acupuncture has been shown to help guide qi to where it is needed. The source points would be a place to start. One caveat here though. Dr. Wang maintains that in the case of more severe Kidney Yang deficiency, it is necessary to use Kidney tonification with herbs in conjunction with acupuncture. In other cases of deficiency, he may use herbs or he may not- I'm still trying to narrow down some more precise guidelines. respectfully Jason Robertson Jason Robertson, L.Ac. Ju Er Hu Tong 19 Hao Yuan 223 Shi Beijing, Peoples Republic of China home-86-010-8405-0531 cell- 86-010-13520155800 Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Although I agree that AP can help anemia I still follow that herbs are in general better for blood tonification. , Jason Robertson <kentuckyginseng> wrote: > Phil > > Thanks for your reply. Another diversion into acupuncture here: > > The concept of tonification with acupuncture is one that has been on my mind the whole time here in Beijing. According to Dr. Wang Ju Yi, his experience is that acupuncture can be used for tonification. As long as a person has source qi moving in their meridians, then acupuncture has been shown to help guide qi to where it is needed. The source points would be a place to start. > > One caveat here though. Dr. Wang maintains that in the case of more severe Kidney Yang deficiency, it is necessary to use Kidney tonification with herbs in conjunction with acupuncture. In other cases of deficiency, he may use herbs or he may not- I'm still trying to narrow down some more precise guidelines. > > > respectfully > Jason Robertson > > > > Jason Robertson, L.Ac. > Ju Er Hu Tong 19 Hao Yuan 223 Shi > > Beijing, Peoples Republic of China > > home-86-010-8405-0531 > cell- 86-010-13520155800 > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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