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But, the question is always

> how do you know that you would have actually gotten the cold? There

> have been as many times that I thought I was going to get something

> and took something, than when I thought I was going to get something

> and didn't do anything and DIDN't get anything..

 

excellent point. I would say the majority of patients who complain of having a

cold have no sigsns of exterior condition at any stage. Is this really a cold,

then? I wonder how many folks mistake the onset of a cold in themselves this

way. Like Jason, there are probably as many times I thought I might get

something and did nothing and I still didn't get anything. Have others actually

tracked this. I know those who are suggesting this are wary of statistics. but

are you telling me it would not be meaningful to chart when you thought you

were getting a cold, what you did and what happened. I find people

remember their interventions - successful or otherwise - and forget

completely when they do nothing at all. Nothing memorable about nothing.

 

digression for thought on stats: what about the highly reliable data of basal

body temp. And to clarify an earlier point, I was interested if those who

doubted the reliability of statistics had practiced herbology day in and day out

on a returning patient load over many years. Perhaps that was unclear. that

is the only type of practice that would yield such observations. Just because

one has seen patients sporadically does not provide the same experience or

data I speak of. You must be seeing large loads over a long time in one place

to observe patterns. My current clinic sees 2000 patients a month and while I

only supervise about 250 of these myself, I am privvy to about another 600 or

so that are being treated by students on other shifts, many of whom ask me

questions about their cases or that I learn about about by eavesdropping on

their shift reviews.

 

If one does not work at a school as large as PCOM or has not worked in a

chinese hospital for at least a few continuous years in both cases, I am hard

pressed to see how one might have drawn personal conclusions about large

groups of patients. As Marnae has pointed out, small private practice gives

valuable experiences one does not have in a school setting, but I doubt she

would claim it is a reliable indicator of broad statistical trends. I believe

that

those who challenged my observations, despite having had some clinical

experience, clearly did not have the type of experience I described above. I

think if one reads closely, one will see I am correct about this. I will accept

blame if my poorly worded question led to responses that did not address my

concern.

 

I am not reopening the debate on any person's credentials - there has been

adequate posting of such " credentials " for anyone to make up their own minds

on this matter. Just as for Dan, IMO. Just clarifying the basic point which

was

buried in the ensuing " conversation " , as have been many such points over the

past few months. How can one dismiss something without even collecting the

data? If you only see a few patients, everyone looks completely unique and

one makes the case that statistics lie. If you see a 1000, trends emerge. If

that was not true, CM would not have anything of value to offer. As I tell

patients, pulse and tongue are valuable becaue the chinese gathered and saved

data on their usefulness in dx. Without such data, we would have nothing of

any use. Just a bag of tricks. I am surprised folks don't see this. But

perhaps

I am a simpleton.

 

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I find people

remember their interventions - successful or otherwise - and forget

completely when they do nothing at all. Nothing memorable about nothing.

>>>>And if one eats bread and the cold goes away is it the bread?

Alon