Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 , " " wrote: I would say the majority of patients who complain of having a > cold have no sigsns of exterior condition at any stage. Is this really a cold, > then? so lets address the issue of how to diagnose a gan mao/exterior invasion. first question. does ganmao ALWAYS have an exterior component. or can it be an internal complaint? do we need to expand the concept of ganmao if many of our patients have no exterior condition yet consider themselves to have a cold. I wonder if viruses are always present in people who claim to have colds. what s/s are necessary to dx gan mao? fever/chills. Is sore throat alone enough to make such a dx? I often see yin qiao prescribed to patients with the sole sx of scratchy throat. some of my colleagues say you can use yin qiao this way for any virus, but I believe the cold herbs damage the wei yang in many patients and lead to prolonged colds or trapped pathogens. Heiner Fuehauf taught me this about 12 years ago. any thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 , " " wrote: > I often see yin qiao prescribed to patients with the sole sx of scratchy throat. > some of my colleagues say you can use yin qiao this way for any virus, but I > believe the cold herbs damage the wei yang in many patients and lead to > prolonged colds or trapped pathogens. Heiner Fuehauf taught me this about > 12 years ago. any thoughts. Tan Tan Huang stated that yin qiao san is used in China for both early stage wind-heat and wind-cold attacks. About a week ago, I was at (what I perceived to be) the beginnings of a wind-cold attack with runny nose, headache, and some bodyache. I have Minshan brand yin qiao san (wan) at my place, so I decided to take it. Just one dose of 8 pills coincided with the end of the symptoms. Maybe it was the pills; maybe it was " me " ; maybe it was both. I realize this is just one case, but I thought I'd throw it to you. Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I thought that the indications for yin qiao san were more heat than wind as manifested by a sore, rather than a scratchy throat, which from what I've learned, is a manifestation of more wind than heat, and in which case Sang ju yin would be more indicated. Comments please? Yehuda PS Of course, Yin qiao san would be helpful for any wind exterior condition when there's some heat, but don't we want to hit a bullseye, and match the exact pattern with the appropriate formula? On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:41:39 -0000 " bcataiji " <bca writes: > , " " > wrote: > > > I often see yin qiao prescribed to patients with the sole sx of > scratchy throat. > > some of my colleagues say you can use yin qiao this way for any > virus, but I > > believe the cold herbs damage the wei yang in many patients and > lead to > > prolonged colds or trapped pathogens. Heiner Fuehauf taught me > this about > > 12 years ago. any thoughts. > > > > Tan Tan Huang stated that yin qiao san is used in China for both > early > stage wind-heat and wind-cold attacks. About a week ago, I was at > (what I perceived to be) the beginnings of a wind-cold attack with > runny nose, headache, and some bodyache. I have Minshan brand yin > qiao san (wan) at my place, so I decided to take it. Just one dose > of > 8 pills coincided with the end of the symptoms. Maybe it was the > pills; maybe it was " me " ; maybe it was both. > > I realize this is just one case, but I thought I'd throw it to you. > > Brian C. Allen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: > I thought that the indications for yin qiao san were more heat than wind > as manifested by a sore, rather than a scratchy throat, which from what > I've learned, is a manifestation of more wind than heat, and in which > case Sang ju yin would be more indicated. Comments please? > > Yehuda > > PS Of course, Yin qiao san would be helpful for any wind exterior > condition when there's some heat, but don't we want to hit a bullseye, > and match the exact pattern with the appropriate formula? I learned the same, however, when told by Dr. Huang about it's use for both early-stage wind-heat or wind-cold, I tried it the first opportunity that I had on myself. It is rare that I get a " cold " and it had been several years since I had felt that way, so when it happened a few weeks ago, I gave it a try. I used myself as a test subject because if it did not work, or if there were negative results, it is just me. At this point in my training, and given the limited information I have on this " extended " use of yin qiao san, I believe it would be unethical for me to perscribe it in that manner. Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 , " bcataiji " <bca@o...> wrote: that yin qiao san is used in China for both early > stage wind-heat and wind-cold attacks. I have no doubt that is true, but with a self limited complaint, there is no way to guage efficacy. The questionI have is how do the herbs in yin qioa dispel wind cold. The rx has very little warmth and little sweating potential in patent form at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Perhaps this would be in a case where there were subtle wind heat signs as well mixed in with the obvious wind cold. Also is not jing jie, present in the patent form slightly warm and release the exterior, along with bo he ? Yehuda On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 01:00:53 -0000 " " < writes: > , " bcataiji " <bca@o...> > wrote: > that yin qiao san is used in China for both early > > stage wind-heat and wind-cold attacks. > > I have no doubt that is true, but with a self limited complaint, > there is no way > to guage efficacy. The questionI have is how do the herbs in yin > qioa dispel > wind cold. The rx has very little warmth and little sweating > potential in patent > form at all. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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