Emotions

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, " bcataiji " <bcaom@c...>

wrote:

> Also, if someone is " suffering " grief in the pathological sense,

then

> that alone is a LU symptom.

 

Can you state a source on this? Yes classically lungs relate to

lungs, fear to the kidney yada yada, but can we consider these to be

symptoms? And furthermore symptoms that `alone' point to organ

vacuity. I would think not. Firstly I do not believe any symptom,

in and of it self, guarantees primary organ involvement. Symptoms

are always taken in context. Second, It is my understanding that

worry, fear, grief etc, are etiologies not necessarily symptoms.

Third, I do not find in English or in Chinese the inclusion of such

emotions in pattern differentiation, i.e. signs of lung qi vacuity:

SOB, cough, easily catches cold, and then grief. I just don't see

emotions discussed from a symptomatical perspective. But maybe I am

missing something. You do see things like symptoms become worse

with emotions, usually leading to the liver. – is this is etiology?

My understanding is that you MUST have other lung signs to dx a lung

issue. I am with Alon on this one. To comment on below, you never

dx spleen not holding the blood without other spleen signs, at least

I don't… How would you do this?? So the question should be this, If

one has just grief, with no other lungs signs will giving lung tonic

herbs (or yin you pick) resolve the grief. My guess is NO… I think

acupuncture is too sketchy for these types of things. (meaning too

hard to verify).

 

Further expansion: If an emotion (sadness) is becoming pathological,

meaning hanging around too long, damaging an organ (again etiology),

I think that moving qi in general (probably the liver) would aid

this more than tonification of the lung… Do the Chinese discuss the

treatment of this sort of thing, could someone comment that possibly

saw Sioneuo's (Sp) lecture, a couple of years ago.

 

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>

> Just because one aspect of a zang's functioning is impaired does

not

> mean that the other aspects must be affected. Much like if the SP

> ability to hold blood is impaired, we will not necessarily also see

> signs that SP movement and transformation functions have also been

> impaired.

>

> The important question is this:

>

> If a patient is in a pathological state of grief, will treating the

> LU, either directly or indirectly (such as in 5-Phase type

> treatments), improve the situation? My guess is that it probably

would.

>

> Brian C. Allen