Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Z'ev, > Perhaps L.A. patients are having a different presentation? > Interesting, it is so close to San Diego. I've heard of a few children > having gastrointestinal symptoms here. We have four cases of flu here, all were give the homeopathic Ocillococanum (probably mispelled). The three that took the first dose within 24 hours of the first symptoms resolved with no further symptom development. The one person who took the first dose after the first 24 yours but before 48 hours from symptom onset, resolved but with some middle warmer symptoms on the third day. That person has standing digestive issues. It's not CM but some might find it useful. Bob bob Paradigm Publications www.paradigm-pubs.com P.O. Box 1037 Robert L. Felt 202 Bendix Drive 505 758 7758 Taos, New Mexico 87571 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Bob, It all seems to be in the timing, and the state of the patient. I've personally had a three week run with the symptoms, but I have a long history of respiratory stuff (but nothing like this in many years). I also use oscillococcinum, made from duck's liver (!!??), a repository of virus transmission, it seems. In my case, the timing was wrong, and on Thanksgiving day, a huge dust storm hit San Diego and coated everything with fine silt from the massive fires that hit a few weeks before. I felt it damage my lung qi, and I started sneezing, feeling deep chill, and sinus discharge. Because of the timing, and the environmental conditions, it led to an upper burner/head condition that has lasted three weeks, finally getting better now, despite taking a mountain of herbs and oscillococcinum. However, my wife, youngest son and daughter got through the flu in less than 24 hours, thanks to oscillococcinum and jing fang bai du san. On Dec 17, 2003, at 4:35 PM, Robert L. Felt wrote: > Z'ev, > >> Perhaps L.A. patients are having a different presentation? >> Interesting, it is so close to San Diego. I've heard of a few >> children >> having gastrointestinal symptoms here. > > We have four cases of flu here, all were give the homeopathic > Ocillococanum (probably mispelled). The three that took the first dose > within 24 hours of the first symptoms resolved with no further symptom > development. The one person who took the first dose after the first 24 > yours but before 48 hours from symptom onset, resolved but with some > middle warmer symptoms on the third day. That person has standing > digestive issues. > > It's not CM but some might find it useful. > > Bob > > bob Paradigm Publications > www.paradigm-pubs.com P.O. Box 1037 > Robert L. Felt 202 Bendix > Drive > 505 758 7758 Taos, New > Mexico 87571 > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 However, my wife, youngest son and daughter got through the flu in less than 24 hours, thanks to oscillococcinum and jing fang bai du san. >>>>Since you did not do as well using similar approaches why do you think their good outcome was do to intervention and not just to them doing well. For example in my house, for the first time ever, my wife actually drank herbs (she hates the swell) because she was feeling horrible. She was one of those that had N/V and herbs I think helped as she stopped feeling nauseous and stopped vomiting within a couple of hours of drinking the herbs. My children, also having the same symptoms took nothing and were totally well the next day. It took my wife about 3 days to feel normal. I still strongly believe we need large good quality studies to really tell how much we are really helping. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Simple answer. I have a history of predisposition to respiratory disorders. I have allergic reactions to dust. I was overworked and stressed at the time, so my resistance was down. I started treating myself too late. In other words, my timing was off. In recent years, I've had no problem 'nipping it in the bud' (exterior pathogens). Studies will be fine, Alon, but that doesn't mean we are working in a vacuum. Experiences of practitioners, backed up by the literature, will be quite useful. By the way, look for some material translated from Systematic Differentiation of Warm Disease on damp-warmth malaria in the next issue of the PCOM newspaper. On Dec 17, 2003, at 7:30 PM, Alon Marcus wrote: > However, my wife, youngest son and daughter got through the flu in > less than 24 hours, thanks to oscillococcinum and jing fang bai du san. >>>>> Since you did not do as well using similar approaches why do you >>>>> think their good outcome was do to intervention and not just to >>>>> them doing well. For example in my house, for the first time ever, >>>>> my wife actually drank herbs (she hates the swell) because she was >>>>> feeling horrible. She was one of those that had N/V and herbs I >>>>> think helped as she stopped feeling nauseous and stopped vomiting >>>>> within a couple of hours of drinking the herbs. My children, also >>>>> having the same symptoms took nothing and were totally well the >>>>> next day. It took my wife about 3 days to feel normal. I still >>>>> strongly believe we need large good quality studies to really tell >>>>> how much we are really helping. > Alon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 By the way, look for some material translated from Systematic Differentiation of Warm Disease on damp-warmth malaria in the next issue of the PCOM newspaper. >>>Do they mail it to everybody? Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Simple answer. >>>Zev i understand your answer but again i think the response of my family for example shows the difficulties in so called practitioner experience. I would like to see a large clinic such as pcom do a study on respiratory viral syndromes Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 They usually do. If not, call and get on their mailing list. On Dec 18, 2003, at 7:41 AM, Alon Marcus wrote: > By the way, look for some material translated from Systematic > Differentiation of Warm Disease on damp-warmth malaria in the next > issue of the PCOM newspaper. >>>> Do they mail it to everybody? > Alon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > Simple answer. > >>>Zev i understand your answer but again i think the response of my family for example shows the difficulties in so called practitioner experience. I would like to see a large clinic such as pcom do a study on respiratory viral syndromes > Alon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 The disease could advance quite a bit by the time the presence of the virus was confirmed. Treatment would have to be given before confirmation, and therefore, many people would be getting free treatment who did not even have a respiratory virus, which would not add to the data. It would really drive up costs. Brian C. Allen >>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, but research cost money and at the same time saves a lot money if treatments are found to not work. Most people that think they have a flu do not. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 which would not add to the data. It would really drive up costs. >>>>If one is too study treatment of flu, a treatment is started before confirmation. That is how WM antivirals are used, ie within the first 24 hr. When studied all patients feeling flu like symptoms are treated and those with confirmed flu are entered into the data bank, both in the placebo and treated group. We could do a study comparing WM anti-virals and CM treatments. Even a prospective study comparing WM anti-virals and CM can be done if patients are seen within the first 24 hours of a flu since data is available for the WM drugs. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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