Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Two interesting and contradictory articles on the Reuters UK site. One says that people who blame their Chronic Fatigue on a virus do worse than those who see it as a stress and emotional problem. The other article says there is increasing evidence of a viral component to CFS! And those that take antidepressants do worse than those who don't. ..... doug http://www.reuters.co.uk/ newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news http://www.reuters.co.uk/ newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 , " " wrote: > http://www.reuters.co.uk/ newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news > > http://www.reuters.co.uk/ newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news these links broke. if a link does not work, do not despair. the most likely reason is that put a space in the URL. In this case, between .uk/ AND newsArticle. Just delete the space and the links work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 , " " wrote: > http://www.reuters.co.uk/ > newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news > > http://www.reuters.co.uk/ > newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news these are the same link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Try: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml? type=healthNews & storyID=4067194 & section=news Warren - In , " " wrote: > , " " wrote: > > > http://www.reuters.co.uk/ > > newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news > > > > http://www.reuters.co.uk/ > > newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews & storyID=4067179 & section=news > > > > these are the same link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 , " wsheir " <wsheir> wrote: > Try: > http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml? > type=healthNews & storyID=4067194 & section=news > > Warren > from this article: " Taking sedatives such as benzodiazepines and muscle relaxants - something CFS patients may do to alleviate the pain from headaches, sore throat and tender lymph nodes - was also associated with a worse outcome. " I wonder if this means taking such drugs to control the sx worsen the course of the disease or rather that those who were taking the drugs in this survey had more severe presentations and thus took more drugs as a result. chicken and egg, you know. Pain depletes the qi and blood. It does not make sense that relieving pain would worsen the disease unless one reached toxic levels of pain relievers. I find most such patients well managed with a combination of herbs, acupuncture and drugs. Most do not get better completely as this article stated and severe cases almost always need drugs regularly throughout their lives. However the combination therapy can avoid the side effects associated with higher doses of pain meds. I know a number of our colleagues who despite being involved in acupuncture for more than a decade must use such methods to manage pain. The FMS patients I see are the most stubborn lot. They usually have charts volumes long. I do not find the severe version of this disease to yield reliably to TCM. I find milder versions do, but the milder versions are remittent. I note that the other article on the role of the virus being more predominant was a very small study. It also only showed a a small % of such patients were thus infected. So it did not say virus was THE cause, just A cause. So it is likely as I have thought for years that what is called CFS and FMS are really several different diseases from the western persepctive. Viral infection, immunodeficiency, psychogenic, allergy, sleep disorder, autoimmune. So rather than trying to pin it down to this or that, it may be diferent diseases. Some may say it is probably multifactorial and I agree. However studies clearly show that some cohorts respond well to antidepressants and others don't; some to pain relievers and others don't. Or its the same disease manifesting as multiple patterns. Either way, experience suggest there is not one answer and this provides an impetus for western medicine to try and understand the differences between patients with seemingly similar complaints. They keep getting bonked on the head. They are going to get it sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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