Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 , " James Ramholz " <jramholz@m...> wrote: > > I was listening to his PCOM lecture in the car on the way home from > Denver last night, and was impressed that, according to him, this > information was available in the literature but infrequently > translated or discussed. however sionneau gives the pathomechanism for every pattern of each chief complaint in his series. since his listing of complaints is so exhaustive, one is usually able to determine the exact mechanism why a particular symptom is occurring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 , " " wrote: > > however sionneau gives the pathomechanism for every pattern of each chief > complaint in his series. since his listing of complaints is so exhaustive, one is usually > able to determine the exact mechanism why a particular symptom is occurring. > \T, I do not have his books in front of me, but what does S say about fatigue. -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 , " " wrote: > however sionneau gives the pathomechanism for every pattern of each chief complaint in his series. since his listing of complaints is so exhaustive, one is usually able to determine the exact mechanism why a particular symptom is occurring. >>> : This listing is better but still incomplete. We see a wider variety and more complex cases in the pulses. It often involves emotional issues going on, and sometimes the pathomechanism goes far back in the patient's history. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 At 7:26 PM +0000 1/7/04, wrote: >I do not have his books in front of me, but what does S say about >fatigue. -- " This (fatigue) refers to a subjective symptom wherein the patient has fatigued spirit and sluggish limbs. It occurs in many kinds of enduring diseases... " Fatigue is the single most important symptom of qi vacuity. Qi is responsible for movement and yang is responsible for activity (literally 'stirring'), while yin and blood are responsible for nourishment. Most fatigue is due to qi and blood vacuity which may be combined with yin and blood insufficiency.It is important to understand that yin and blood vacuities alone do not cause fatigue. Fatigue, as both a disease in it's own right and as a symptom, belongs to qi. " Sionneau, P & Lu Gang. The Treatment of Disease in TCM. Volume 7: General Symptoms. Page 241. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Has anyone read the pathomechanism of the five viscera books by Shi lin yan? what do you think? Oakland, CA 94609 - Stephen Bonzak Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:21 AM Re: Flu I added the FileMaker file and an Excel file of the database to the board. Obviously you need these programs to run the database. All of the information is present in the excel file, but it does not look too pretty. The FileMaker Pro file is laid out nicer. Let me know what you think. -Steve On Feb 21, 2006, at 9:55 AM, wrote: > Stephen > I would to see it. Is file maker work on PC > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > Stephen Bonzak > > Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:30 AM > Re: Flu > > > I have made a database on FileMaker Pro that includes the formula > name, > category, herbal constituents, diagnosis, and major pathomechanisms. > it mainly follows Bensky, but where his pathomechanisms are lacking I > look in other sources (Guohui Liu's text, Mitchell's SHL, etc). If > anyone is interested, I would be happy to let you see it. I don't > think it would be something that is marketable since it uses text > that > is copyrighted. It is helpful in teaching, though, and it is > searchable. > > -Steve > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:45 PM, wrote: > >> It has always been my feeling that for a computer program of herbs, >> prescriptions or acupuncture points to have redeeming value, it >> should add something new. New content, innovative use of existing >> information, or exacting scholarship. Like nearly every other >> computer database of Chinese medicine in English, this one doesn't >> meet these criteria. Understandably, a single practitioner will be >> hard-pressed to make an innovative database without funding, >> collaboration, etc. If anyone wants to see the potential for CM >> database tools, just look at homeopathic programs such as >> Macrepertory. It goes beyond the books, synthesizing information >> from multiple sources and is truly indispensable to the practice of >> homeopathy today. Our profession (at least in English language) is >> way behind the eight ball here. >> >> >> On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Al Stone wrote: >> >>> This TCM Formula Finder is kind of the program that I'd envisioned >>> having >>> someday. Basically, it is just a searchable database of a bunch of >>> formulas >>> with all the usual notes and other information you'd want. What I >>> like about >>> it is the ability to search by a symptom. >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Only the Heart volume is out. It is excellent, you'd love it. On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:57 AM, wrote: > Has anyone read the pathomechanism of the five viscera books by Shi > lin yan? what do you think? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Zev when will the others be out? Oakland, CA 94609 - Friday, March 03, 2006 10:03 AM Re: pathomechanisms Only the Heart volume is out. It is excellent, you'd love it. On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:57 AM, wrote: > Has anyone read the pathomechanism of the five viscera books by Shi > lin yan? what do you think? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 They will be released gradually throughout 2006. Z'ev On Mar 3, 2006, at 10:12 AM, wrote: > Zev > when will the others be out? > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > > > Friday, March 03, 2006 10:03 AM > Re: pathomechanisms > > > Only the Heart volume is out. It is excellent, you'd love it. > > > On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:57 AM, wrote: > >> Has anyone read the pathomechanism of the five viscera books by Shi >> lin yan? what do you think? >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I like this thinking of Jason's. I have to admit I am much influenced by Alon Marcus. One maxim that Alon stresses is " think models, not truths " . I'm sure he has expressed this on this listing in different ways. so whether it is TCM, or a given school of osteopathy, or lots of western medicine theory- some stuff is useful, some stuff is more rational, some stuff is whacky but works sometimes, some stuff is a bunch of BS which honest people buy into (and often do good work with it.) so know your anatomy, know your herbs, know your medicine, but be clear about how you are interpreting. I use TCM to prescribe herbs and acupuncture and the system has great strengths. but do I personally think that wei qi exists, or the triple burner, or ming men fire, etc.? well.... the danger is when the map precedes the territory. or the book replaces life. we know the kind of thinking this results in. Phil Cusick Jason wrote " But IMO essentially any pathomechanism (explanation) is pretty much BS. It is a theatrical construct made up by the Human mind using the TCM framework. Now don't get me wrong, I DO think that pathomechanisms are helpful and I think in these terms often, but I try to stay realistic to what they really are and how they really help us. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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