loss of jing / standards / vasectomy I'm the biggest idiot in the world

[Guest guest]

Arrrrrgh!

I assume everyone has mental clutch slippage at one point or another, this

is a good example of mine. Of course they are different characters, I was

off in teletubby land when I wrote this, apologies. Big hug! I would

relate them, especially in terms of the transmission of lineage,

jing/text(ile) is a mode of transmission, jing/essence is the transmitted.

 

The eunuchs/martial arts comment was about cultural perception, not the

western medical explanation, which was morbidly fascinating, as so much of

western medicine is.

 

I would not advocate much for sexual abstinence (having given it more than a

college try in my qi gong practice) just a balanced sex life. I mean, if

you have a patient who voluntarily ejaculates 5-10 times per day with kidney

vacuity signs are you going to give them an Rx or are you going to advocate

giving their flippers a rest? Probably both. There are celibate and non

celibate traditions in China, sure, and they both seem to have produced

various enlightened types who can do all sorts of amazing stuff, live along

time, etc. It's pretty obvious that they both have something going for

them, and I hardly feel qualified to say what's right or wrong here, I was

just pointing out that in the buffet that is Chinese

religious/spiritual-practice/mysticism history you can find pretty much any

flavor you want, and it doesn't have to be an issue of Confucian wet blanket

and cold showerism.

 

As for the value of touching, I spent the last fifteen years of my life

doing massage, so I think it has a value. We probably touch less than any

primates (which on my more optimistic days I would say humans can aspire to

being), and the touch research institutes studies concerning touch and

infant health and massage for adults show very clear correlations for health

giving aspects of touch, which is pretty much not modality dependant

(meaning trained massage is great but plain old physical contact can have

much benefit). I think another aspect of where we fall down as a culture is

getting most of our touch in a sexual context, but I suppose this is getting

off topic...

 

I'm going to go hide from my Chinese teacher now!

 

Par Scott

 

 

 

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Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:50 AM

Re: loss of jing / standards / vasectomy

 

 

, " Par Scott " <parufus@e...>

wrote:

> Sorry, I should have read the whole thread before jumping in.

>

> ç¶ " (Sç») [jÄ«ng] longitude; scripture; ...; å.²ç¶ " already; æ~ " ç¶ "

I Ching

> î¿¿!ci 1006283723|ç¶ " [ç»] ¹jÄ«ng n. â` ã?^txtl.ã?? warp â`¡ã?^Ch.

med.ã?? channels â`¢ã?^geog.ã??

> longitude â`£scripture; canon; classics â`¤menses; menstruation

â`¥Surname â-?v.

> â` manage; deal/engage in â`¡pass through; undergo â`¢stand; bear;

endure

>

> Jing in this context has an interesting meaning, since it is also to

jing in

> Nei and Nan Jing. The character implies a weaving or threading

through, and

> in terms of books it indicates something of perennial wisdom which

works its

> way down through generations, obviously it also indicates a meridian

in Jing

> Luo. If you look at it that way in terms of parents passing on

portions of

> themselves to their children it also makes sense, our familial material

> passes down to us through the ages.

 

I cannot read your above 'characters', and I don't know what exactly

you are saying, but the above jing is different than the essence jing.

So I am unsure about you connection with the parents.

 

And Z'ev is right, there are plenty of sexual sects in China... There

were daoist sex cults that had multiple sex partners a night... Also

didn't many emperors have many sexual partners? The key was to not be

drained by this activity but to cultivate.

 

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>

> Interestingly our word 'text' and the word 'textile' share this same

> relationship which goes right back to Sanskrit.

>

> In Daoism (which is the only religion/system I have much personal

> experience.with, I believe the theoretical aspects of it are similar in

> Buddhist and Hindu systems) transmission of lineage links you to the

> jing-chain with the previous teachers of the line, and if your forward

> thinking, to those who come after as well.

>

> æo^ç¶ " or moon essence refers to menstrual blood, which in some

Daoist theories

> is equated with a woman's jing loss (analogous to the jing lost in

> ejaculation in males). There are practices which are advocated to

this day

> (right or wrong) for qi gong which slows or stops the menses to

retain this

> essence (Mantak Chia has some of this in his books I think).

>

> Whether or not one can equate the abstract concept of jing with a

variety of

> human excretions based on etymology is anyone's guess, but I would not

> discount semen in terms of its importance, or be intemperate in

flinging it

> around. Obviously it contains whatever quality it has to provoke a

human

> life, and that's got to be some pretty heavy mojo.

>

> Par Scott

 

 

 

 

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