Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 With all due respect to everyone, we have to accept the fact that at least half the effects reported by patients in ANY type of uncontrolled private practice of medicine are due to placebo (including my practice). we do EVERY thing we can to insure this. Music, colors, smells, our length and style of interaction. All these are important parts of healing and I would hardly suggest we minimize them in our practices. Quite the contrary. But we are not gong to deliver chinese herbal medicine to the mainstream of america in this setting. Its just not cost effective. Keep in mind that I am speaking here from the perspective of a public health advocate. I want to see CM delivered to the most people possible in a cost effective way. If spending an hour with a patient once a week in a idealized setting is necessary to the treatment of some or all diseases, let's prove it. It may turn out that low dose patents only work reliably when one uses multiple modalities in such an idealized setting, but not when solely prescribing herbs after brief consultations. It may turn out that high dose herb formulas work better than weekly acupuncture plus patents for many complaints. But if high dose herbs (in any form) are prescribed once monthly, let's say, the total cost to the patient would be $50 for the herbal consult and $80 for a months supply of herbs. If the patient got once weekly acupuncture at $65/tx plus paid another $50 per month for low dose patents, it would cost more than twice as much to get the acupuncture. If there is no added benefit to this, no one will ever pay for it. We may have to accept the possibility that the primacy of herbology over acupuncture in the modern PRC is the most cost effective use of CM in mainstream healthcare. What goes on in some private clinics would considered more like a trip to the dayspa to most insurers. As an aside, the japanese acupuncture teacher At PCOM used to be an herbs teacher at PCOM years ago. He is well known for his tongue in cheek condescension towards chinese herbology. He claims that the type of patients he typically sees respond better to classical styles of acupuncture than when using TCM style herbs and acupuncture combined. So he rarely uses herbs anymore because he finds no added value with his treatments. However he also admitted that if the patient load we saw was mostly chronic internal illnesses, then he would actually place primary importance on the use of herbs integrated with western medicine. I thought that was quite interesting and have to admit I pretty much agree. For many patient with stress related functional nonorganic illness, herbs in large does are overkill. I wonder how many folks who use patents also fancy themselves more of a classical style acupuncturist as opposed to TCM style. Perhaps it is your acupuncture doing it all. So what is evidence to me and what is not? Well, personal anecdotes about oneself or one's patients in an uncontrolled setting with no long term followup or statistical analysis do not reveal anything compelling to me. It could all be placebo effects, as far as most researchers are concerned. Every single day I have interns tell me their patients are getting better from their treatments and every day upon close questioning I find out that many variables other than acupuncture and herbs are usually at play. Often, the conditions are self-limited or remittent in nature. Or the patient has altered diet and exercise, factors I consider more important than herbs and acupuncture. The evidence that compels me is the following: 1. history of mainstream usage - that an idea or usage appears repeatedly in what are considered mainstream texts 2. controlled clinical research - the herb or herbs have been shown in well designed studies to actually be effective. 3. animal physiology research - the herb causes measurable changes in animal or human physiology, thus allowing the possibility of therapeutic potential 4. pharmacological evidence - the herb contains constituents which can explain part of its action at standard doses 5. current consensus usage in china - that an idea or usage is still accepted and applied widely today 6. anthropological and epidemiological - that societies adhering to certain dietary and lifestyle practices did so for bonafide medical reasons and got measurable benefit therefrom Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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