Not Listing exact formula will cause problems with FDA & EU Authoritie

[Guest guest]

, Steven Slater <dragonslive@i...>

wrote:

 

>

> I have never understood the justification of some authors for not

> giving dosages when listing formula. It seems more to me that they are

> simply trying to obscure this knowledge from the layman to discourage

> use.

 

I understood the reason to be that there are no set dosages for many formulas

and the experienced herbalist is supposed to know how to dose properly.

 

>

> On a slight tangent....I also feel authors should ALWAYS use tones on

> any pinyin in a text. What is pinyin without tones? Well it isn't

> pinyin anymore! Having tones also allows us to better communicate with

> chinese speakers during clinically training, class or private practice.

 

 

Including tones has not always been technically easy. And when it comes to

herb names, which are the most commonly used pinyin terms in the clinic,

there really is very little room for confusion. There is only one hong hua, one

ren shen , etc. As long as you pronounce the phonetics correctly, I have never

had a problem conveying herb names. Now start to talk about depression and

stasis, which are both phonetically yu and you have big problems. However

these problems are easily handled by reference to a dictionary. Having said

that, proper tonality can only be an advantage.

 

But the question that always comes up with regard to chinese is how much is

essential. And where should students put their limited time and energy.

Pragmatically, correct phonetics come first. Many students don't even do this

right because many american professors do it wrong also. So interns will say

zee shee for zhi shi, dao ren for tao ren, bo hee for bo he and kang zhu for

cang

zhu, to name a few. when you do that, the chinese have no clue what you are

talking about. If you canadd tonality, great. But I would put my energy toward

reading characters before I put it towards proper tonality if I had to choose

the next baby step.

 

[Guest guest]

Certainly, an herbalist will still have to adjust any written formula

to a particular patient and not just reproduce the dosage and content

of the text formula. However, without a clear indication of the precise

guidelines for an authors claimed effective treatment for a certain

pattern/condition what is actually being conveyed?

 

I feel that if an author suggests a certain formula for a certain

condition or pattern, an experienced herbalist will not know what the

author's exact intent or experience is unless they think the

same.......which is highly unlikely.

 

As you would certainly know; everyone will give a different formula for

both ingredients and dosages/ratios for the same patient. Not giving

dosages or ratios in a text prevents one from widening their clinical

knowledge by being exposed to other and often more experienced

practitioners methods of prescription and clinical thinking.

 

Just the opinion of a new practitioner who appreciates the value of

others experience; perhaps overly greedy for precise knowledge.

 

Steve

 

 

On 13/02/2004, at 5:25 AM, wrote:

 

> , Steven Slater

> <dragonslive@i...>

> wrote:

>

>>

>> I have never understood the justification of some authors for not

>> giving dosages when listing formula. It seems more to me that they are

>> simply trying to obscure this knowledge from the layman to discourage

>> use.

>

> I understood the reason to be that there are no set dosages for many

> formulas

> and the experienced herbalist is supposed to know how to dose properly.

>

>

 

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not having the dosages is bothering me less and less. Most herbs are in a

standard

range. If they are outside of that or in anyway different then a text should

explain it.

If they don't, having a wierd dosage without explaination is posted is even more

confusing. So I would rather be able to read the formulas without the redundancy

of

the dosages.

doug

 

 

, Steven Slater <dragonslive@i...>

wrote:

> As you would certainly know; everyone will give a different formula for

> both ingredients and dosages/ratios for the same patient. Not giving

> dosages or ratios in a text prevents one from widening their clinical

> knowledge by being exposed to other and often more experienced

> practitioners methods of prescription and clinical thinking.

>

> Just the opinion of a new practitioner who appreciates the value of

> others experience; perhaps overly greedy for precise knowledge.

>

> Steve

>

>

> On 13/02/2004, at 5:25 AM, wrote:

>

> > , Steven Slater

> > <dragonslive@i...>

> > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> I have never understood the justification of some authors for not

> >> giving dosages when listing formula. It seems more to me that they are

> >> simply trying to obscure this knowledge from the layman to discourage

> >> use.

> >

> > I understood the reason to be that there are no set dosages for many

> > formulas

> > and the experienced herbalist is supposed to know how to dose properly.

> >

> >

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