Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 wrote: > " In fact, it is fairly easy to address all of these concerns. buy GMP products only, preferably those produced in the US. such products contain no heavy metals . . . " , I don't think it's accurate to say there are no heavy metals in GMP products. When I researched the heavy metals issue a year ago I found that the levels allowed under GMP are actually slightly higher than those set by California Proposition 65. That's partly why in Calif. we have those " this product may cause cancer, birth defects . . . " labels on products from GMP facilities. BTW, when I looked into how the Prop 65 levels for heavy metals were set, I spoke with people at various organizations (OSHA, OEHHA) and I was told there were a couple of studies on rats or mice and a few experts' opinions. That was it. I could have wasted a lot more time obtaining copies of the hearings but I felt I'd learned enough already. Marian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 , " Marian Blum " <marianb@r...> wrote: > > > wrote: > > " In fact, it is fairly easy to address all of these > concerns. buy GMP products only, > preferably those produced in the US. such products contain > no heavy metals . . . " , > > I don't think it's accurate to say there are no heavy metals > in GMP products. When I researched the heavy metals issue a > year ago I found that the levels allowed under GMP are > actually slightly higher than those set by California > Proposition 65. the problem is that prop 65 levels are meaningless with regard to herbal medicine. the amounts of heavy metals in our herbs is that which comes from natural soil content and it is considered highly unlikely that these trace amounts of heavy metals have any health effect at all. Prop 65 is a lawyer's dream but has nothing to do with actual heavy metal contamination. GMP levels are those established by scientists; prop 65 levels were determined by a coalition of well meaning radical activists and unscrupulous litigators. As usual, doing an end run around the legislature results in idiotic laws designed to serve some vested interest. the vast majority of CA props have been unmitigated disasters (except those funded by Soros, IMO). We are now witnessing the end of representative democracy in CA. I wouldn't be surpised if Bush gets relected, he will call for a national initiative referendum bill and end the role of that pesky congress once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 If you think this is bad, what about this from CSOMA? " Finally, currently our scope of practice is being reviewed by the California state government’s Little Hoover Commission. Depending upon their report and recommendations, legislators, influenced by out-of-state interests, may introduce legislation to limit our scope of practice. Together these trends have the potential to greatly limit patient access to acupuncture services by requiring them to pay cash out-of-pocket and/or obtain an M.D. referral prior to treatment by an LAc. Even cash-based practices may be significantly affected by greatly increased competition from acupuncturists who have been relying on Workers Compensation and major medical insurance reimbursement. It is accurate to say that not since acupuncture was legalized and designated as a Primary Care Profession in California has the profession faced such fundamental challenges to our ability to provide services to patients. " If this should come to pass, G-d forbid, it would put private practitioners like myself effectively out of business. I am most concerned about going back to an M.D. referral scenario. . . Unfortunately, in my view, this is largely the result of certain organizations trying to convince the state legislature that the present training in TCM Schools is insufficient and unsafe, because of a relative lack of biomedical training. It saddens me that those who represent our profession often shoot us in the proverbial foot. If anyone else has a different perspective on this, one hopefully more positive than what I read here, please share it with us. On Mar 6, 2004, at 3:51 PM, wrote: > Prop 65 is a lawyer's > dream but has nothing to do with actual heavy metal contamination. GMP > levels are those established by scientists; prop 65 levels were > determined by > a coalition of well meaning radical activists and unscrupulous > litigators. As > usual, doing an end run around the legislature results in idiotic laws > designed > to serve some vested interest. the vast majority of CA props have been > unmitigated disasters (except those funded by Soros, IMO). We are now > witnessing the end of representative democracy in CA. I wouldn't be > surpised > if Bush gets relected, he will call for a national initiative > referendum bill and > end the role of that pesky congress once and for all. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 For the first time i am getting denials from insu for body work Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Hi All & Hi Alon, Alon wrote: > For the first time i am getting denials from insu for body work > Alon Please expand on the significance of this change. Does the bodywork include acupuncture? Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Please expand on the significance of this change. Does the bodywork include acupuncture? >>>>No, bodywork is manual medicine, massage etc Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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