Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 In a message dated 3/7/2004 7:23:53 PM Central Standard Time, list writes: > Hmmm... the chiropractors here that do acupuncture are buying these > electro-meridian scanning machines - maybe I should get the machine that > goes 'bing'... > > Cheers, > Geoff > > In 1985, I started to market acupuncture and herbal treatment for people who had asthma, allergies or whose sx could be attributed to allergies. I found that using TCM dx gave some very impressive (to me, at least) results after 6 to 10 weeks. Amazingly, since I had " just fiddled with [their] wrists and rubbed some points before I stuck [sic] [them] " they felt that their asthma or allergies " were going to go away, anyway " even though these people had been treated for years allopathically. To add insult to injury, my treatment at the time cost under $400 for the entire course. And I was having trouble with getting patients to pay for the portions not covered by insurance. I was awestruck. Then I began doing RAST testing for IgG mediated allergies, bought a spirometer that produced graph after graph of hardcopy lung function and got a few other " machines that went 'bing.' " The cost of the treatment went from $400 to over $2,500. I had more referrals and enthusiastic patients than I had had in quite some time in my practice. That taught me a valuable lesson. I had been enamoured of Ted K's lecture, " The Doctor as Medicine, " and that episode taught me that here in St, Louis, the blinking beeping medically technologically mysterious machines could be medicine also. So.... some of those machines that go " bing " are worth their weight in gold. Good luck. Guy Porter, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Does anyone have any good ideas for marketing your business in a health fair / symposium? I've done many fairs before and never really had many patients come out of it. I'm going to be presenting at a CAM symposium to nurses and MD's and need to find something interesting to do. The last couple of presentations I did at the hospital, I pulled a doc out of the audience, did a little mock interview, tongue and pules, and stuck in a couple needles to show them what it was about. I found that received more interest than just yabbering on about the wonders of TCM - which is a sure fire way to glazed-over-dom. I refer the empiracly research driven practitioners to a printed bibliography, since I've found they're a lost cause for the most part and it's better to concentrate on more open minded people. I have found the personable docs / nurses to be much more interested in the hands-on stuff, so if there are any fun ideas people here have - please pass them along! If there are any present / past nurses here, are there any common health issues nurses might be interested in (like foot pain)? Hmmm... the chiropractors here that do acupuncture are buying these electro-meridian scanning machines - maybe I should get the machine that goes 'bing'... Cheers, Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Of the business fairs I've done in the past (two thus far), the acupuncture demonstrations have always been the most appealing for people, and have led to appointments. You might want to bring your schedule book and book the appointments on the spot. Also, giving away herbal samples tends to keep the crowd happy. Ginseng shots are a great sample (red ginseng for men, american ginseng for women). If you have learned any of the Dr. Tan Balance method treatments, it's always impressive to make a person's back pain or shoulder pain disappear on the spot! you can also bring a blood pressure cuff and measure people's blood pressure after putting in a few ear needles. Results always impress people, medical and non-medical. Good luck, Adam Estreicher, Lic. Ac., M. Ac. Geoffrey Hudson <list wrote: Does anyone have any good ideas for marketing your business in a health fair / symposium? I've done many fairs before and never really had many patients come out of it. I'm going to be presenting at a CAM symposium to nurses and MD's and need to find something interesting to do. The last couple of presentations I did at the hospital, I pulled a doc out of the audience, did a little mock interview, tongue and pules, and stuck in a couple needles to show them what it was about. I found that received more interest than just yabbering on about the wonders of TCM - which is a sure fire way to glazed-over-dom. I refer the empiracly research driven practitioners to a printed bibliography, since I've found they're a lost cause for the most part and it's better to concentrate on more open minded people. I have found the personable docs / nurses to be much more interested in the hands-on stuff, so if there are any fun ideas people here have - please pass them along! If there are any present / past nurses here, are there any common health issues nurses might be interested in (like foot pain)? Hmmm... the chiropractors here that do acupuncture are buying these electro-meridian scanning machines - maybe I should get the machine that goes 'bing'... Cheers, Geoff Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 I hate to say it but the best response we get is with demos of needling with moxa on the needle, a la steven segal and fire cupping....fire's kewl..... from there they start to ask questions....herb tasting is a big hit with some crowds as well as hot water on pang da hai...helps with me talking to much as well bob Linde www.acuherbals.com --- Geoffrey Hudson <list wrote: > Does anyone have any good ideas for marketing your > business in a health > fair / symposium? I've done many fairs before and > never really had many > patients come out of it. I'm going to be presenting > at a CAM symposium > to nurses and MD's and need to find something > interesting to do. The > last couple of presentations I did at the hospital, > I pulled a doc out > of the audience, did a little mock interview, tongue > and pules, and > stuck in a couple needles to show them what it was > about. I found that > received more interest than just yabbering on about > the wonders of TCM - > which is a sure fire way to glazed-over-dom. I > refer the empiracly > research driven practitioners to a printed > bibliography, since I've > found they're a lost cause for the most part and > it's better to > concentrate on more open minded people. I have > found the personable > docs / nurses to be much more interested in the > hands-on stuff, so if > there are any fun ideas people here have - please > pass them along! If > there are any present / past nurses here, are there > any common health > issues nurses might be interested in (like foot > pain)? > > Hmmm... the chiropractors here that do acupuncture > are buying these > electro-meridian scanning machines - maybe I should > get the machine that > goes 'bing'... > > Cheers, > Geoff > > > Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Sounds more like 'bada bing'. Maybe I am missing the point of your post, but I can't see why one should replace or augment an effective, low tech therapy like acupuncture and herbal medicine with one that costs six times as much. This would seem to be the opposite of 'the doctor as medicine' concept. On Mar 7, 2004, at 5:46 PM, DrGRPorter wrote: > So.... some of those machines that go " bing " are worth their weight > in > gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > Sounds more like 'bada bing'. > > Maybe I am missing the point of your post, but I can't see why one > should replace or augment an effective, low tech therapy like > acupuncture and herbal medicine with one that costs six times as much. > This would seem to be the opposite of 'the doctor as medicine' concept. my TDP lamp will cost me less than the amount of moxa I need for the same amount of treatment. the question is how effective is it? so far, I'm pretty impressed. As another example, tui na traditionally involved traction and is thus part of our scope. the tui na teacher at OCOM was a big fan of low tech traction. it was a source of amusement about he bound you up with ropes and chinstraps and commanded you to RELAX. but it worked. However this type of tractionis not very safe. I want to recommend a very safe cervical traction device used by chiropractors with great success. One needs to be trained in the orthopedic approach to neck injuries in order to use this correctly. While low tech traction might be cheaper to set up, such a device is better and pays for itself easily. So in some cases, technology can be an advantage. I don't hear anyone complaining about modern needle production technology. doesn't anyone bemoan the day of irregulalry shaped, bacteria-contaminated needles. On the other hand, these high tech dx devices seem to have no basis in either WM or CM . I would avoid those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 I may have misunderstood, but I think the post was talking about the cost of the treatment to the patient, not the technology. I was responding to the patient costs, not the machine costs. I have no problem with appropriate technologies, with the caveats you mention. On Mar 8, 2004, at 9:21 AM, wrote: > > > my TDP lamp will cost me less than the amount of moxa I need for the > same > amount of treatment. the question is how effective is it? so far, > I'm pretty > impressed. > > As another example, tui na traditionally involved traction and is thus > part of > our scope. the tui na teacher at OCOM was a big fan of low tech > traction. it > was a source of amusement about he bound you up with ropes and > chinstraps > and commanded you to RELAX. but it worked. However this type of > tractionis > not very safe. I want to recommend a very safe cervical traction > device used > by chiropractors with great success. One needs to be trained in the > orthopedic > approach to neck injuries in order to use this correctly. While low > tech > traction might be cheaper to set up, such a device is better and pays > for itself > easily. So in some cases, technology can be an advantage. I don't > hear anyone > complaining about modern needle production technology. doesn't anyone > bemoan the day of irregulalry shaped, bacteria-contaminated needles. > On the > other hand, these high tech dx devices seem to have no basis in either > WM or > CM . I would avoid those. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > I may have misunderstood, but I think the post was talking about the > cost of the treatment to the patient, not the technology. I was > responding to the patient costs, not the machine costs. I have no > problem with appropriate technologies, with the caveats you mention. I don't like when unnecessary patient charges are tacked on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 my TDP lamp will cost me less than the amount of moxa I need for the same amount of treatment. the question is how effective is it? so far, I'm pretty impressed. >>>>>I have both a regular heat lamps and one TDP and i cant see any difference in clinical outcome. Both mostly heat the surface. alon Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Hi Adam, It's a good idea to consider your own energy level and how you best interact with people. I love going to fairs, but find I burn out quickly and don't speak loudly enough for interested folks to hear me over all the other noise, so having a table at fairs isn't the best way for me to meet patients. However, I have done better by going to fairs and introducing myself to other business owners that have tables. Put yourself into the equation. I do best by finding support businesses for the kinds of health issues I like to treat, and then directly visiting those businesses and talking to the owners. Works great! adam estreicher <adam_estreicher wrote: Of the business fairs I've done in the past (two thus far), the acupuncture demonstrations have always been the most appealing for people, and have led to appointments. You might want to bring your schedule book and book the appointments on the spot. Also, giving away herbal samples tends to keep the crowd happy. Ginseng shots are a great sample (red ginseng for men, american ginseng for women). If you have learned any of the Dr. Tan Balance method treatments, it's always impressive to make a person's back pain or shoulder pain disappear on the spot! you can also bring a blood pressure cuff and measure people's blood pressure after putting in a few ear needles. Results always impress people, medical and non-medical. Good luck, Adam Estreicher, Lic. Ac., M. Ac. Geoffrey Hudson wrote: Does anyone have any good ideas for marketing your business in a health fair / symposium? I've done many fairs before and never really had many patients come out of it. I'm going to be presenting at a CAM symposium to nurses and MD's and need to find something interesting to do. The last couple of presentations I did at the hospital, I pulled a doc out of the audience, did a little mock interview, tongue and pules, and stuck in a couple needles to show them what it was about. I found that received more interest than just yabbering on about the wonders of TCM - which is a sure fire way to glazed-over-dom. I refer the empiracly research driven practitioners to a printed bibliography, since I've found they're a lost cause for the most part and it's better to concentrate on more open minded people. I have found the personable docs / nurses to be much more interested in the hands-on stuff, so if there are any fun ideas people here have - please pass them along! If there are any present / past nurses here, are there any common health issues nurses might be interested in (like foot pain)? Hmmm... the chiropractors here that do acupuncture are buying these electro-meridian scanning machines - maybe I should get the machine that goes 'bing'... Cheers, Geoff Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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